baby jacksons question

[elianto]

i just recently purchased a baby jackson. the seller said it is a jacksonii jacksonii.
now reading through http://www.geocities.com/chamjacksonii/ turns out that only baby xantholophus have a red gular spot.
and mine has it too.

so either jack jack have a red throat too (shows up specially when the baby is eating-swallowing)or my jack is a xantholophus.

any idea?
cheers
eli

 

[merumontanus]

Eli,

How big is "baby"? Did you get the animal in the United States? If so, then yes, the chances of its being a yellow-crested Jackson's chameleon xantholophus is almost certain. The nominate form, jacksonii jacksonii is very rare in US collections, and I can almost guarantee you that anyone breeding the nominate form in this country would not sell neonates, if that is, in fact a neonate.

Jackson's chameleons younger than three months should not be shipped or sold, in my opinion, as they are challenging to keep at that age.

Can you post a photo?

Fabián

 

[elianto]

sorry,i didn't put my location on the profile.
the animal is cb in europe,and over here, despite the few rare births of merumontana i believe jack and xantho are almost equally available,at least around germany,where i currently live.

the animal is about a month old,i have experience both with merumontanum
and willigensis,plus others mountain chameleons.i'm not really scared by the size,and he is doing fine.

 

[elianto]

the boy is around 4 cm long.
i believe that is about 1.6 inches according to google converter.

regards

 

[merumontanus]

sorry,i didn't put my location on the profile.
the animal is cb in europe,and over here, despite the few rare births of merumontana i believe jack and xantho are almost equally available,at least around germany,where i currently live.

the animal is about a month old,i have experience both with merumontanum
and willigensis,plus others mountain chameleons.i'm not really scared by the size,and he is doing fine.

Ah! Well then, in that case it could very well be the nominate form. I'd love so see some photos!

Fabián

 

[elianto]

hey
it's gone midnight over here, so the baby's sleeping atm.
will be posting a pic tomorro.

 

[Kent67]

I'd love to see some pics too! I'm so jealous some nominates are occasionally available in Europe! I don't suppose there's a way to ask the seller for pics of the baby's mother?

 

[elianto]

hey
so this the pic of the young guy.
i know i shud quit biting my nails.

calling anybody with jack experience,do ONLY xanth babies have red gular spots?

cheers.

sorry for pics bad quality.
they shud make iphones with a macro lens.

 

[merumontanus]

hey
so this the pic of the young guy.
i know i shud quit biting my nails.

calling anybody with jack experience,do ONLY xanth babies have red gular spots?

sorry for pics bad quality.
they shud make iphones with a macro lens.

Eli,

Thanks for the photos. Yes, neonate xantholophus possess red gular grooves, but they are not exclusive to that subspecies. I'm afraid you'll have to wait for it to grow in order to determine its subspecies. I can tell you this is not merumontanus, so it's either the nominate form, a xantholophus or an intergrade of the two.

Here are a couple photos of a couple xantholophus I'm raising of Hawaiian origin:

 

[merumontanus]

they shud make iphones with a macro lens.

The next generation iPhone is coming out this June/July and is expected to have a new camera (and video capabilities). Hang tight...

Fabián

 

[Docility]

The next generation iPhone is coming out this June/July and is expected to have a new camera (and video capabilities). Hang tight...

Fabián

uggghhh. they need to make it correctly the first time not just keep redoing it. im happy with my 3G (i was forced to buy since i dropped my old one, and they were super prone to shattering)

 

[merumontanus]

uggghhh. they need to make it correctly the first time not just keep redoing it. im happy with my 3G (i was forced to buy since i dropped my old one, and they were super prone to shattering)

Oh, it was made correctly the first time. Way more correctly than any Microsucks product. That's how technology works, though. As we discover ways to manufacture devices more economically, they begin making it into the market. You would have had to pay a lot more a year ago for an iPhone with video capabilities. Apple is a decade ahead of its competitors, and their success is based on their rate of progress. Fortunately for you, though, the iPhone's advantage is in its software, and the fact that with an OS update, you practically get a new phone. I wouldn't sweat it....

But back to topic

 

[elianto]

hey meru
well thanks man,
i never saw a pic of a baby xantho, so i guess mine is one too.
to be sure i shud see a baby jack jack, but i trust the source i got my info from, so i blieve mine is a xantho.

how u keeping yours?

mine is in a small flexarium atm, heaps of water but no dripper,uvb5% plus heating spot-just about warm.
feeds on stuff i use for dart frogs, flies and fruit flies,and the occasional baby silkworm.i keep it in the sun quite often when weather allows me.

i try and keep the guy cool, have a fan going for most of the day,temp around 22°c in the day,bit higher under the spot,and about 17-18 at night.

i heard the hawaian ones are more resistant than the african one,that at least was the impression of an italian breeder friend of mine.
sadly there has been no import from u.s.a. in a while, or at least not that i'm aware of.

i 'm quite curious to see how things go with him, i bought him against all odds,just coz it was soo tiny.most of my friends suggested to leave it there, but i doubt the seller knew too much about it.
at this point, considering he gave me wrong info, i guess he bought a prego female, that gave birth and then passed out, as it mostly happens with wc mountane species.then he just sold out the babies.

whatever,as i said, i'm sure he'll be fine,
summer is coming,and that will make things easier.

ps
dude,not sure i'm getting another i-phone.way too complicated for my brain.
just rather invest on a decent camera

 

[elianto]

do you think he's skinny?
he eats like a horse..still looking skinnier than yours..

 

[merumontanus]

hey meru
well thanks man,
i never saw a pic of a baby xantho, so i guess mine is one too.
to be sure i shud see a baby jack jack, but i trust the source i got my info from, so i blieve mine is a xantho.

how u keeping yours?

mine is in a small flexarium atm, heaps of water but no dripper,uvb5% plus heating spot-just about warm.
feeds on stuff i use for dart frogs, flies and fruit flies,and the occasional baby silkworm.i keep it in the sun quite often when weather allows me.

i try and keep the guy cool, have a fan going for most of the day,temp around 22°c in the day,bit higher under the spot,and about 17-18 at night.

i heard the hawaian ones are more resistant than the african one,that at least was the impression of an italian breeder friend of mine.
sadly there has been no import from u.s.a. in a while, or at least not that i'm aware of.

i 'm quite curious to see how things go with him, i bought him against all odds,just coz it was soo tiny.most of my friends suggested to leave it there, but i doubt the seller knew too much about it.
at this point, considering he gave me wrong info, i guess he bought a prego female, that gave birth and then passed out, as it mostly happens with wc mountane species.then he just sold out the babies.

whatever,as i said, i'm sure he'll be fine,
summer is coming,and that will make things easier.

ps
dude,not sure i'm getting another i-phone.way too complicated for my brain.
just rather invest on a decent camera

Yeah, it's the other way around for me-- I am dreading the arrival of summer.

I keep mine in a small Reptarium® set horizontally, filled with live plants, a normal fluorescent tube and a Reptisun 5.0 above, as well as a 50watt spot light. They get misted manually three times a day and have pinhead crickets in an easily-accessible feeding container near their basking spot, as well as Drosophila hydei and melanogaster. They all prefer crickets and only eat flies when I offer them exclusively, otherwise they tend to get nervous as the flies walk all over the place. I am sure this is temporary as my adults prefer non-cricket insects.

I generally would never recommend anyone a jacksonii at such young age, but it looks like you're doing very well. Continue doing the same and just keep an eye on your supplements and gut-loads-- don't over supplement.

These animals can be tricky to raise and problems usually don't arise until they reach 6 weeks or so-- when the famous "unsuspected" deaths happen.

Keep us posted!

Fabián

P.S. I agree with your camera investment...

 

[elianto]

i had a bad experience once,with a baby pardalis chocking on a cricket, so for now i will stick with drosophyla as long as i can.
bigger flies are doing the trick i reckon.
well i guess we are keeping it about the same. i mist a lot after and before lights go on and off. so that during night humidity is higher.

the boy is over a month according to the cites.hope the crytical period is over already
i grew quite fond of him,he's my big boy u know

well summer is hot here aswell, but i find it easier to manage the chams with heaps of sun and wc livefood.
i don't supplement at all for now.i never do with montane chams.but i'm quite old school on that.so no vits nor calcium and heaps of sunlight.
i never had problems like this.