Baby Cham questions

ridgebax1

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Chameleon Info:
• Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? Nosy Be panther; male?; 3 months?; 4 days• Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Twice, he runs away when my hand is in cage• Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? ¼” crickets free range ~18-20 daily; does not recognize other items, such as silk or phoenix worms as food. Using dry gutload made from receipe of Sandrachameleon; fresh greens and fruit every 2-3 days; sponge type water dispenser in container• Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? Reptical plain daily; herptivite once; repcal with D3 but never gave any• Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? Mist every 4 hours between 0730 and 1930; dripper; he does find his drippy leaf and drinks several times since arriving (at least once daily observed)• Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? Small brown, with white urate; never tested• History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. Appears active, seems to hunt well but little feeders could be hiding or escaped! I don’t lift the pots in the bottom of cage cause I don’t want to disturb him too much. He changes color often dark to light grey/black with white bars.Cage Info:
• Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? All screen, 18x18x24; I am putting plastic film on three sides to help keep humidity up. Only have one side done so far. • Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? Reptisun 5.0 cfl, brand new fixture. 45watt halogen spot. 12hr on/12hr off;• Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Basking area 79 – 84 having difficulty with lamp. It is raised about 6 inches above screen top and branch is another 4 or so inches from the top of screen. I don’t have a really good way to lift the dome fixture over the cage. I have a couple of incandescents that may give a more stable temp but again I don’t want to fuss too much with the cage to avoid stressing him.• Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? 40 to 85% digital • Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? Combination of fake and real. Small bonsai ficus and schefflera. Multiple bendy vines and small twigs vertical and horizontal.• Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? In living room, in front of window with AC unit which is currently wrapped with plastic insulation will be coming out of the window this week. Cage also has a barrier between window and cage wall.• Location - Where are you geographically located? Pittsburgh pa
Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about. I was expecting a cham that was three months old but based on his size I think he is much younger. He is very active, I see him eat and drink but he will only free range crickets and I would prefer he cup feeds but he does not seem to get it. He totally ignores the bugs in the cup. Omar was much bigger and cup fed readily all types of bugs. Should he be in a different type of cage? Such as a baby bin? If so is there a link to a thread on such a set-up? I want to get an infra-red laser thermometer but have to wait until payday to order it. Should I continue to feed exclusively crickets and then try to introduce other bugs when he is older and it is safer to just offer the other bugs and wait until he eats them or skip a day then feed the other bug? And what about supplements. Should he get vitamins or cal with D3 at all yet?
 

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I wouldn't skip feeding as he is small- I was sure my guy was younger than I was told by the breeder and a girl as he didn't seem to grow much when I first got him- he did his first shed a couple of weeks after I go him and then grew like crazy- my Jackson just started sheding more often and has gotten a lot bigger just in her 4th & 5th month- but that's my experience and I'm pretty much a newbie- My Jackson wouldn't cup feed- my panther would only cup feed (until i got him blue bottle flies) I got my Jackson to cup feed with phoenix worms - she still likes to hunt - i used a shallow cup with a velcro button on it -and the other 1/2 on a milk lid (like the one they give you salad dressing in) I had a couple in different places- My Jackson was very young when I got her and still is using up the last of my fruit flies - I got a "fruit fly kit" which kept me well stocked - the panther had them when he was the size of yours - It sounds to me (and remember i'm a newbie) like his previous owner pretty much gave him crickets- and free ranged them - and it will just take a little time.
 
Your set up sounds good. If your just concerned that he won't eat other food items yet give him time. He was probably raised on crickets only and just isn't used to seeing other food items. As far as the cup feeding goes just keep trying. Moving the cup to another location or putting less food in it won't hurt.

Carl
 
That cage size is just fine and if you got him from a reputable breeder, then believe what they tell you about the age. Some are just smaller than others, plain and simple. The problem is we compare to other chameleons too much. I do the same with my Ambanja as I feel he is on the small side also. If he is healthy, then don't worry about it!!!
 
So here is what I did. I made a "feeding bin" out of a critter keeper with tons of sticks and branches. I took Clouseau out of his cage by having him climb onto a branch then transfered him to the bin which is really inside his cage. I added some silkworms first and left them there for him to see for about half an hour. He did not show any interest in them:(. After that I added in the crickets. I had put some apple at the bottom of the bin also. I just left him in there and sure enough he ate some crickets then climbed back up into his cage proper. I was thinking that I can eventually decrease the size of the bin until it is just a regular cup. He can associate this area with food, the crickets are more likely to stay contained and I can monitor the amount he is eating and remove the uneaten crickets and return them to their container in the evening after bedtime. I know they can sometimes bite them at night but he goes ballistic if one gets on him while he is awake. He started shaking his body back and forth like crazy to get one off of him! I am still concerned by his size though. I found the breeder from the classifieds here. I just hope he does well. He doesn't even register on my gram scale? I had him on there briefly but I want to minimize moving him about cause I don't want to stress him. Oh and he pooped today it was SOOOO tiny but looked normal with white urate.
 
Sounds to me like a really smart idea- (I'm a newbie-so if anyone over rides that listen to them) With him being tiny I would worry about the crickets and it will be a lot easier to get him used to you if you don't have to look too hard to catch them before he goes to bed - My father sent me something out of the New York Times Science section on reptiles being smarter than what was previously thought - according to the article they learn and remember - I was planing on reading it again this weekend - (or really reading it- he sends me a bunch of different things which I skim and pick from)
 
So here is what I did. I made a "feeding bin" out of a critter keeper with tons of sticks and branches. I took Clouseau out of his cage by having him climb onto a branch then transfered him to the bin which is really inside his cage. I added some silkworms first and left them there for him to see for about half an hour. He did not show any interest in them:(. After that I added in the crickets. I had put some apple at the bottom of the bin also. I just left him in there and sure enough he ate some crickets then climbed back up into his cage proper. I was thinking that I can eventually decrease the size of the bin until it is just a regular cup. He can associate this area with food, the crickets are more likely to stay contained and I can monitor the amount he is eating and remove the uneaten crickets and return them to their container in the evening after bedtime. I know they can sometimes bite them at night but he goes ballistic if one gets on him while he is awake. He started shaking his body back and forth like crazy to get one off of him! I am still concerned by his size though. I found the breeder from the classifieds here. I just hope he does well. He doesn't even register on my gram scale? I had him on there briefly but I want to minimize moving him about cause I don't want to stress him. Oh and he pooped today it was SOOOO tiny but looked normal with white urate.

As long as he has plenty of climbing opportunity and can hit all upper corners of the cage comfortably I would let some crickets free range in the cage so he can hunt them down. JMO. If you have only had him 4 days he needs to acclimate to his surroundings to get comfortable to feed anywhere you put the crickets. If there is too much open space between the top screen that the top branches you will want to fill that up with a few branches so he does not have to climb the screen to get to his prey items.

Here is a link to some of our setups to give you ideas about a light solution for raising and lowering the basking spot lamp. The PVC elbow for the basking lamp is not glued so it can be moved back and forth to raise and lower the lamp. Hope this helps.



https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...073741831.291375457582672&type=1&l=8e8ba8a104
 
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I thought I had plenty of climbing opportunities until he actually got here and I saw how little he was! I filled in the cage with a bunch of twigs so he can move all over and into and out of the bin. Some of the crickets crawl out as well. They seem to disappear so I assume he is eating them.
 
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