A cautionary tale

Khutchens

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This is my first post on the forum (and I apologize for the length), but I feel compelled to share my story in the hopes of preventing a similar situation.

First of all, I would like to say that I am so thankful for this forum! When my stepdaughter announced she would like a chameleon for her birthday, I had only a slight idea of what was involved in caring for these wonderful little creatures. Before agreeing to the purchase, I read this forum extensively to ensure that I felt I could provide appropriate care (she is young and spends every other week at her mother's house, so I knew that I would be the primary care provider). I have learned so much just from searching this forum and reading the posts.

After researching the different types of chams, I settled on a carpet cham for our family. I was lucky enough to find a member on this board that had a male available (I am honest enough with myself to admit that egg laying was not something I am ready to deal with). He arrived at our house last Tuesday.

Having researched everything I could find about chams in general and carpet chams in particular (which wasn't much), I set up what I felt was an excellent enclosure. I bought the ExoTerra glass reptarium (18x18x24). (I chose this enclosure because I thought it would help regulate the higher humidity required by this little guy.) I filled it with live plant, branches, vines. A Reptisun 5.0 UVB light, a 40 watt gro light for basking. The temps are 82 in the basking area, 75 mid enclosure. The nighttime temp is around 70. I use the little dripper and hand misting to provide water and maintain humidity. Humidity stays between 75 and 85%. He was eating very well and his urates were nice and white. (While I am not asking for help, I will go ahead and say he eats very small crickets and fruit flies. Dusted with calcium w/o D3 once a week (breeders recommendation), multivitamin w/D3 twice a month). Being new to his environment, he has been handled maybe twice. I was congratulating myself on what an excellent cham mommy I was (thanks to what I had learned on here).

Here's where the cautionary tale begins: I set the dripper to run down a pothos plant. I have not been able to regulate it in such a way that the water did not accumlate in the bottom of the enclosure. I set the plant in a bowl that was BARELY larger than the pot the plant is in. I empty the bowl every night. I had read about the dangers of standing water, but there was so little space between the bowl and pot, I didn't think it would be an issue.

I WAS WRONG!!!!!! Last night as I was shutting off the dripper for the night, I couldn't see the little guy anywhere. I had seen him on a vine only moments before. I will never know what made me open the enclosure and look, but thank God I did. He was floating in the bowl between the rim and the pot!!!!!:eek: I don't know how he got in there, there was so little room.

His eyes were closed, his color was blanched, and he was not moving. I immediately scooped him up and performed "CPR". Having no idea what I was doing, I rubbed him as vigorously as I dared (much like a newborn pup) and blew in his little mouth. What was probably 30 seconds later (but felt like hours) his eyes opened and his color returned!:D I placed him under the heat lamp and after a few seconds he was scurrying around like nothing had happened. I, on the other hand, lost about two years of life expectancy.;)

The bowl is now stuffed full of river rocks up to the rim (and there was so little space, I literally had to cram them in there). He will not be going for a swim again!!!!

Please learn from my rookie mistake. Standing water is never good! No matter how shallow or how small the space.

I am attaching a picture of his enclosure and one of him just after his near death experience. I have continued to watch him closely. He is alert, eating like crazy, and shows no signs of any problems. However, I am a little concerned about the possibility of RI, so will continue to monitor him closely.
 

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Welcome to the forum :) How nice of you to take all this worry on for your stepdaughters sake - chameleons are a particularly paranoia inducing animal as you are now fully aware of! Everyone who keeps animals finds out the hard way about how big the holes they can get away with are :eek:
Glad your little guy seems fine after his ordeal, it certainly looks from here that you have a great setup and a very pretty little chameleon - good work and congrats on that :)
 
awesome job, mom!! your natural instincts took over and you did the absolute perfect thing. and good for you for sensing that something was wrong to begin with.

a RI is always possible, particularly after inhaling standing fresh water, so either let a vet take a listen to his lungs and prescribe potential antibiotics or continue to observe him closely for any coughing, mucous in mouth, open-mouth breathing, anorexia, etc. if you see that, definitely take him to the vet.

and if you don't already know it, another name for carpet chams is jeweled chameleon. he looks great with your rings!
 
I've already located a vet close by that specializes in reptiles. (I did that as soon as my heart rate slowed last night!) He seems fine at the moment, but I will run across town with him at the first sign of a problem.:)
 
also, every carpet that i've had has had quite the urge to jump and take "leaps of faith" IME. every now and again a panther may take a nosedive, but new carpets do seem very willing to skydive for some reason. they seem to grow out of it, though.

so your guy was likely hanging on his vine and took one of those notorious jumps, and SPLASH!
 
I can only assume that's what happened. I am still a little mystified by how he managed to land between the pot and the edge of the bowl. Seriously, the space was so small I could barely fit my fingers in to scoop him out! There is no way it could happen again, tho. The rocks are up to the rim of the bowl and I never let that much water accumulate.

I could say that my concern for my stepdaughter's reaction was the reason I tried so hard to save him, but that would be a lie. I'm rather fond of the little guy.....more so than I expected to be!
 
Welcome, and GREAT JOB. And you thought being a human mom was easy? LoL! But the payoff is wonderful. Seeing that little cutie grown into a beautiful cham will make it all worth it. And dont worry. They make hair dye to cover the grey. :p:p
 
Welcome, and GREAT JOB. And you thought being a human mom was easy? LoL! But the payoff is wonderful. Seeing that little cutie grown into a beautiful cham will make it all worth it. And dont worry. They make hair dye to cover the grey. :p:p

I already use it, but will probably need a touch up this weekend!:p
 
Hi Kayla,
by the looks of your picture of the enclosure, you are using waaaaaaaaaaaay to much water. A RI will certainly ensue if you use that much, especially in an exoterra. Just spay a small area next to the cam when watering and only until the water beads on the leaves, any more than that will have disastrous results.
 
Oh my goodness! I can't imagine how horrifying that was for you! :eek: I have to commend you on your quick thinking and the CPR and also the mouth to mouth resuscitation! :eek: You saved that little guy's life! I haven't quite got the drainage thing from the dripper down either. I am not going to wait anymore and get this solved today. I'm so sorry this happened to you but it is a good cautionary tale for other new keepers out there. It definitely helped me out!
 
That picture was actually before he was in the enclosure and before the dripper was installed. I had misted the plants to test humidity levels. Between the plants and the dripper, the humidity stays at 75% without misting, so I really haven't misted much since he's been in there. At most, it gets a couple of short bursts a day, just on a few leaves near the dripper to encourage drinking. I've studied your setups since you use the exoterras and have modified a few of the recommendations on this site to accomodate for the fact that it's not a screened enclosure. I had thought about an automatic mister, but since it's glass and smaller, I've decided that might be too much.

I hope you aren't regretting sending him to me. :eek: I'm really trying very hard to take good care of him.
 
Just Keep in mind the word "Ratios".
Small enclosures and small chameleons require less. I would agree with you that a spraying system for one small enclosure would be too much. You will be fine with hand misting three times per day. I would highly encourage you to reduce your humidity and increase your temperature slightly to head off any possibility of a RI. No worries, live and learn.

Ive made lots of mistakes and killed lots of chameleons when I started. I just simply didn't know and there wasn't any specific info when I began keeping chams.

Good luck and if you have any questions just ask me.
 
Wow! thanks for sharing that scary story, I hope I would have been as quick and smart as you with the CPR and all. Poor little guy, and he cant even realize you saved his little life.

I am glad you did post it though. I let my chams out to play on their free range all over the living room and had been keeping the drainage buckets out!!

From now on, I will empty them before I let my guys roam around.
It would be easy for one to fall and drown for sure as they can get several inches deep !! :eek:
 
Glad you were able to save the little guy! My chameleons give me a heart attack just about everyday for one thing or another. yeah, forget my kids giving me gray hairs, I have chameleons!!! This just reinforces what we have always said about catch basins inside the enclosures( bowls, containers, etc) especially with babies. It is a recipe for disaster. So happy yours had a happy ending.:)
 
Glad you were able to save the little guy! My chameleons give me a heart attack just about everyday for one thing or another. yeah, forget my kids giving me gray hairs, I have chameleons!!! This just reinforces what we have always said about catch basins inside the enclosures( bowls, containers, etc) especially with babies. It is a recipe for disaster. So happy yours had a happy ending.:)

Thank you for your kind words. I aged at least two years in ten minutes last night. And I had read all of the warnings about catch basins. I was just convinced he couldn't fit between the pot and the bowl. Lesson learned!!!! Adjustment made!:)
 
Thank you for your kind words. I aged at least two years in ten minutes last night. And I had read all of the warnings about catch basins. I was just convinced he couldn't fit between the pot and the bowl. Lesson learned!!!! Adjustment made!:)

Well there's always a chance for a "fluke" event. Possibly your little guy just happened to tip himself nose first into the water and could not manoever himself back out in time before he inhaled it. Little chams do get overwhelmed with inhaled water fairly easily. I'm so glad you took the chance to work him over and save his life! I've had to do a sort of CPR on a cham too, but I hope I never have to face that again.
 
Aw good job catching the little guy! My carpet doesn't have a dripper at the moment because I was worried about drainage in his glass exo-terra. He is tiny and the cage is the same size as yours by the looks of things. I mist him 2 or 3 times a day & he gets enough water from the leaves. I've had him 3 weeks now & he's not showing any signs of dehydration so I'm happy to leave him without one til I upgrade his cage. I think some people place a cup beneath the dripper & cover it with gauze, so the cham can't fall in, but personally, I can't find space in the cage for that amongst the plant pots!
 
Wow CPR. Awesome story, thank for sharing, very happy outcome at least. Getting ready for my little one and your story adds to my worries lol Haha since 3 kids and wife to worry about I really don't mind the addition to the family. Good choice, I also did not know until recently about the eggs, but friend is offering ambilobes and I do hope to have my own babies someday I guess eggs for me. Well good luck
 
UPDATE.....I came home from work (early) to check on Crayola :). I found him very alert, ready for his afternoon snack, and ..... shedding!!!!! He appears to be no worse for the wear (I, on the other hand, will be off to bed early to make up for the sleep I lost last night ;)). I did take him out for sun time since the weather was nice.
 
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