6 month old Ankaramy panthers

[chameleonneeds]

Hey all

Just recently I have had the oppurtunity to buy a trio of ankaramy panther chameleons. The guy selling them sent me a picture of the male, it looked like a pic of it just before sleeping but it wasn't pink like I expected it to be. I was wondering what kind of colour scheme should the average 6 month old male ankaramy have? The colours this panther was showing was a yellowy green colour.
I will be getting a new pic of it tomorrow when its pinks will apparently be showing through better. They cost a lot so I'm just trying to make sure I'm going to get what I'm paying for!
Unfortunetly I won't be able to post the picture until friday unless someone would like me to email them the pic so they can maybe put it up here for me.

If anyone has some pics of 6 month old ankaramys, it would be appreciated if you could please post the pics here for me to see. I'm really hoping I could have ankaramys in the coming month! (Fingers crossed )

Cheers
-Tyrone H

 

[chameleonneeds]

I have a link to the pic on my photobucket account.

http://s437.photobucket.com/albums/...iew&current=Vanderbijlpark-20120306-00448.jpg

Let me know if that link works or not

 

[coldbloodedAL]

That does not appear to be an Ankaramy... looks more Sambava or Ambilobe

 

[camimom]

I concur. Looks like a sambava to me.

Ankarmys as you said, have the pink coloring. No other panther will (not including females) and Im fairly certain ankarmys never flash colors like that, even when sleeping.

 

[chameleonneeds]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I was also thinking there should be significant pink if it were definitely ankaramy but is it safe to say they're definitely not ambanja or some cross breed? Because in s.a we only have ambanja croses, nosy faly crosses and pure maroansetras. So even if these panthers aren't ankaramy I think they're worth the money since they could possibly be sambava or ambilobe!

 

[Olimpia]

He looks to me like he could be a yellow bodied Ambilobe. I say Ambilobe because he doesn't have the U bar that belongs to Sambavas and from what I hear, Sambavas don't really get their yellows for a long time, often going through green and blue first. But I would say he's probably an Ambilobe.

 

[coldbloodedAL]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I was also thinking there should be significant pink if it were definitely ankaramy but is it safe to say they're definitely not ambanja or some cross breed? Because in s.a we only have ambanja croses, nosy faly crosses and pure maroansetras. So even if these panthers aren't ankaramy I think they're worth the money since they could possibly be sambava or ambilobe!

I would say def. Not Ambanja either. But since they are being sold as Ankaramy, they could very well be crosses... If you are looking to breed pure lines I would stay away from that trio, they could be a multitude of locales.. just my.02

 

[Texas Ranger]

That cham is to younge to tell for sure ... That's why I only buy from legit people. As for them being always pink that is not true I have seen a few in person and they are more drab looking and a grayish color with hints of blue on there spikes on there back...but when they fire up thay are awesome.... Maybe see if you can get some fired up pics and see is he shows any pink. But at rest at that young there not going to show any pink JMO.

 

[chameleonneeds]

Olimpia, I was thinking the same thing about the Y and U bar. I'd be happy to have a yellow bodied ambilobe.
The babies were all from the same person so they should be of the same locale instead of an array of different locales.
And the lineage structures of panthers in this counrty is quite bad. In the beginning the pure pairs suffered losses before being able to breed with each other which forced cross breeding otherwise we would have no panthers at all in our country.
So I think I will get this trio of panthers.

Texas Ranger you also make a good point. I thought maybe a 6 month old ankaramy wouldn't be too pink yet. Maybe they only start showing pink at like 9 months of age.

 

[camimom]

Just because they are from the same person, doesnt make them a pure.

a person culd have bought them all, and one parent be an ambi, and the other be a faly. i mean who knows.

they can still all be crosses.

 

[Texas Panther Man]

Male Anks dont show colors until closer to a yr of age. Often the males are gray & plain looking. Look for the teal spines along the back they should start to show at 6 months. If you dont see teal blue spines then they arent Anks. No way of knowing for sure what locale they are until they show some color. Even then they could be crosses, alot of crossed chams look pure as far as coloration goes.

Ive also heard that Anks tend to be on the slow grower side. So it may take over a yr for their full potential to start to show.

 

[chameleonneeds]

Camimom you could be right but the situation this is sounds like they could be pure. Even if they are crosses they will be very nice and worth a lot. Our ambanja crosses are worth about R2000 for a baby-adult and then recently the first ambanjaxambilobe crosses have hatched they will be R6000 a subadult. But its not about what they're worth to me I'm just interested having some interesting new panthers.

Texas panther man I guess I'll just have to see what happens in the end but these panthers will definitely be worth the buy.

 

[camimom]

Camimom you could be right but the situation this is sounds like they could be pure. Even if they are crosses they will be very nice and worth a lot. Our ambanja crosses are worth about R2000 for a baby-adult and then recently the first ambanjaxambilobe crosses have hatched they will be R6000 a subadult. But its not about what they're worth to me I'm just interested having some interesting new panthers.

Texas panther man I guess I'll just have to see what happens in the end but these panthers will definitely be worth the buy.

Im not saying that crosses arent pretty, or even worth it.
Just that you cant sell them as a pure [] if you cant prove it. other than that, i like crosses, and they can make some cool little babies.

and if you like them, they are healthy, go for it. just remmeber, dont sell to someone saying its X, when its actually XQ, and someone tries to breed as pure when its not... thats all.

 

[Olimpia]

Well, it seems like it'll be worth it for you to buy them in any case, so I say go for it if you still like them when you get the second set of photos. He looks like he could end up being cool, even if it's a little too soon to say anything with a lot of certainty what he is.

 

[Kent67]

I've seen some Ankaramys we hatched with insane dark pink coloring before 4 months....not even fired up. They were exceptional. The others have been a grayish silver color when at rest. From what I've seen, there are probably a few sub locales within that very large area that pinks occur which may account for the differences. At any rate, the lateral stripe is different and more pronounced in the pinks as well as the teal dorsal crest mentioned before.

 

[chameleonneeds]

Thanks for your input Kent. I guess this one can't be ankaramy then because it is not really pink. The seller said to me he is going to take pics of the father tomorrow for me, he says the father is really pink. I also have another picture of the current male forsale. I noticed the pinkish kind of colour in his tail. Do ambilobes normally have that or could this indicate that the panther may be a cross?

Cheers
-Tyrone