19months old and no eggs :D

[dreamforthedead]

I had Mia and the rest of the reps for their check up at the vets tonight and anyway i asked my vet to xray Mia just to see if she was working on anything. Well she's 19months old and has never had a clutch of eggs im really proud, must be doing something right. In the past i thought she was working on some but i was wrong. I hope i don't curse things by starting this thread. Anyways all 6 of the reptiles got a full bill of help so happy days. They are all amazing animals and i love them all to bits even if Dylan my male yemen has a new hobby of leaving sperm plugs on me he's 6months old guess he's growing up now.

 

[Mario Vermunt]

The majority of the females do not just produce a clutch of eggs without mating, though it can occur. Mostly if they develop a clutch without mating, it is because of stress. Re- arranging, Re allocating the enclosure, or the visibility of a male in the neighbourhood.
Also it happens mostly (if it happens, but not always) shortly after becoming adult.

 

[Thompson]

The majority of the females do not just produce a clutch of eggs without mating, though it can occur. Mostly if they develop a clutch without mating, it is because of stress. Re- arranging, Re allocating the enclosure, or the visibility of a male in the neighbourhood.
Also it happens mostly (if it happens, but not always) shortly after becoming adult.

That's interesting I never read this before. I always thought a female will lay an infertile clutch no matter what but with some species it can be controlled enough that she won't lay one at all.

 

[dreamforthedead]

That's interesting I never read this before. I always thought a female will lay an infertile clutch no matter what but with some species it can be controlled enough that she won't lay one at all.

I to thought this..

 

[brien]

I have two female panthers that have not produced a clutch in over 7 months. One is a little over a year old and the other is about 20 months old.

 

[seanUTD]

The majority of the females do not just produce a clutch of eggs without mating, though it can occur. Mostly if they develop a clutch without mating, it is because of stress. Re- arranging, Re allocating the enclosure, or the visibility of a male in the neighbourhood.
Also it happens mostly (if it happens, but not always) shortly after becoming adult.

........... They actually do... How often is a factor of feeding, temperatures, and supplementation but they WILL produce infertile clutches in their lifetime... Where is this information coming from?

EDIT: Like Thompson said it can be controlled through feeding that the number of eggs can be controlled but again, it is a pretty common trait that they lay infertile clutches... Hence why it is a recommendation of all egg laying breeds that females be housed in an enclosure with a proper egg laying bin to accept the infertile clutches once they reach egg producing age which if I'm not mistaken can be as low as 6 months...

 

[kinyonga]

Mario Vermunt said..."The majority of the females do not just produce a clutch of eggs without mating, though it can occur. Mostly if they develop a clutch without mating, it is because of stress. Re- arranging, Re allocating the enclosure, or the visibility of a male in the neighbourhood.
Also it happens mostly (if it happens, but not always) shortly after becoming adult."...do you have any papers I can read about this? How do you know this?

The zoo had 60 veiled females for over 2 years in a study....they were all kept exactly the same with the exception that some of them had a "pellet" put in under their skin...so I would expect that the stress levels, rearranging, etc. were as equal as possible for all of them. Some laid eggs and some didn't and some laid several clutches. What would account for that?

 

[carol5208]

Dreamforthedead, where have you been? Have not seen you posting on the forums in awhile! Glad that your cham is doing well and you are also!!! I often wonder when members "disappear" what happened to them.

 

[Misty96]

I've had my chameleon about 14 months and she has laid 3 clutches with no matching and not even a male chameleon in sight. 44/1st clutch, 54/2nd clutch, & 45 3rd clutch. All healthy beautiful eggs. She's not stress and hasn't had a day of sickness but recently has diarrhea that I'm worried about. Any thoughts on that, I would appreciate it.

 

[Elizadolots]

Mario, you are posting something that runs counter to "common knowledge" around here, so yes, I, too, would love to see some documentation to support that.

Misty, you probably should start a new thread in the Health Forum. Check out the "How to ask for help" thread and follow the directions. You'll get clearer information if your problem has its own thread.

 

[Misty96]

Thanks Mario. I did but didn't get any response ~ I'll try again with giving info the monitor listed. New at this forum biz.

 

[dreamforthedead]

Dreamforthedead, where have you been? Have not seen you posting on the forums in awhile! Glad that your cham is doing well and you are also!!! I often wonder when members "disappear" what happened to them.

I've been a slave for work, met some1 and had a new member to my family my brother become a dad 2 weeks ago today. So its all been crazy here. When i have been on its only been having a nose about.

 

[Mario Vermunt]

@SeanUTD & @Elizadolots

If it is counter to what is thought on this forum, i can not help that

I have been working with chameleons over the past 15 years, and the fact that i state that is from personal expierience.

I have had in that time around maybe 20 calyptratus females and 20 Pardalis females. I do not know the exact percentage that made clutches out of their own, but it have been less then 10 out of 40. (estimate 7)
(ofcourse it is always good to have a laying substrate just in case...)
Also worked with, multituberculatum, fisherii's, montium, jacks, lateralis, minor, parsonni and a few more. (on these previous ones it happend also on a lateralis, and possibly on a montium, none of the others...) (but i assume someone else will encounter enfertile clutches by itself on those species also)

I can not say any species is more prone to it then others... it can hapen, but definatly not for sure. It have had sisters, from which one produced and infertile clutch by itself, the other did not.
Also i have had sisters, from which after a mating 1 produced 1 clutch, then stopped till a next mating, the other sister produced 3 clutches then stopped, and again another kept producing infertile clutches after 3 (partially)fertilized clutches.
They can store sperm, but it is not said that they always keep producing clutches

There is not a general rule for female reproduction, every female behaves different in that respect. (it can also happen they never will want to mate)
Between species i have to less expieriences to be sure or their are differences.
I have had xantholophus females which died at age 4 or 5 that never mated and never produced an infertile clutch. Others that have mated tended to produce 3 clutches by 1 mating. anyone else might expierience different ofcourse.

I dare to state that more then 50% of all females, will never produce a clutch in their live if not mated. (if i would estimate i would even say 80% will never, based upon all the females i have had)

Kind regards,
Mario

 

[Miss Lily]

Well done Ashleigh - it feels great to be told by a vet that your pets are healthy!! I thought I was doing well with Amy - until she laid her first clutch at 20 months! She's not laid since though, but I suspect she will lay again soon.

Congrats on your new partner and becoming an Auntie!

 

[jannb]

I had Mia and the rest of the reps for their check up at the vets tonight and anyway i asked my vet to xray Mia just to see if she was working on anything. Well she's 19months old and has never had a clutch of eggs im really proud, must be doing something right. In the past i thought she was working on some but i was wrong. I hope i don't curse things by starting this thread. Anyways all 6 of the reptiles got a full bill of help so happy days. They are all amazing animals and i love them all to bits even if Dylan my male yemen has a new hobby of leaving sperm plugs on me he's 6months old guess he's growing up now.

Ashleigh you've done a great job with Mia! You sound be proud.

 

[dreamforthedead]

Well done Ashleigh - it feels great to be told by a vet that your pets are healthy!! I thought I was doing well with Amy - until she laid her first clutch at 20 months! She's not laid since though, but I suspect she will lay again soon.

Congrats on your new partner and becoming an Auntie!

Yes it does Tiff they are like my children so was good to hear!
And thanks its early days but he's pretty awesome im an auntie for the 6th time but my new nephew is so frigging cute i am as broody as hell now my new boyfriend better watch it. Lmao

 

[dreamforthedead]

Ashleigh you've done a great job with Mia! You sound be proud.

Thanks Jann but i owe a lot of that to the help i had on here when i first got her, the out come would of mostly likely not have been what it is if i had took notice of all the c**p i was fed from the place i got her from. You and a lot of others on here got me on the right track.

 

[kinyonga]

What I have found during my 20+ years of experience is that some species like Senegals and Fischer's multis won't produce eggs without mating while others like panthers and veileds can produce clutches without having been mated (but don't always).

One thing that I have found plays a part in veiled reproduction (or maybe I should say lack of it) is the husbandry...food, gutloading, supplementing, to some extent, temperature all play a part. Maybe this played a part in some of yours?

I have found that seeing a male can trigger a reproductive cycle in some species, as you mentioned.

The whole area of reproduction still has a lot of things that need to be explored to give us a better understanding of it for sure.

 

[DavidBuchan]

I dare to state that more then 50% of all females, will never produce a clutch in their live if not mated. (if i would estimate i would even say 80% will never, based upon all the females i have had)

Kind regards,
Mario

I could be something to do with how you keep them of course
I had one female before the one I have now, and she laid 2 infertile clutches without ever seeing a male, but she was a little bit disabled when I got her (I think now maybe a touch of infant MBD)
We all know on here that every Cham is different, but from reading on this forum it would seem that a lot of them are laying infertile clutches......

 

[chachilla]

My female panther didn't lay any eggs until i mated her and she was a little more than 19 months old. She has been surrounded/ seen a few males and never once did she decide to lay a infertile clutch of eggs untill i mated her. Now she lays fertile clutches when mated and infertlie clutches when not mated. (only mated her once).....