1 month old baby veiled..sick?

damzlfly

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Chameleon Info:

* Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? - 1 month old veiled, male. I have had him just over a week
* Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? never, they are still quite skittish (brother and sister in same enclosure)
* Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? - 3/8" crickets, dusted with cal suppliment...crickets are fed gutload food
* Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? Sticky Tounge Farms - Miner-all, every day
* Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? - mist 2xs / day,ice cube in a styrofoam cup from the top of the enclosure to provide drips
* Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? Cant tell -I have 2 in there
* History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. N/A


Cage Info:

* Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Mesh cage 12x18x20
* Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? Mega-ray 100w deep dome clamped to bookshelf, bulb is 6`` above enclosure 12hr schedule
* Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Ambient daytime room temp 73-78, night 70-72, enclosure hot side 88-90, cool side approx 80 depending on room temps.Took lighting off from top of cage because temps exceeded 100
* Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? mist 2x's/day
* Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? Umbrella plant, pothos, philodendron, and some other that im not sure the name of
* Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Top of bookshelf, no fans/vents, in my office, only used 2/x a week as office, other than that, the door is closed. bottom of enclosure is 44" off the ground
* Location - Where are you geographically located? Kitchener Ontario


Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.
2, 1 month old vields from same clutch, female is fine, male sleeps a lot, resting on leaves and branches. Yesterday went down to the bottom of the cage and rested in sphagnum moss in philodendron...found him there this morning. Put my finger under him to lift him to a higher branch and he just sat on my finger, eyes closed, chin resting. Reacts to touch. Was able to get him to grasp a branch within 5 min, currently sitting under a leaf of the umbrella plant. Was able to hand feed originally, now seems disinterested in food. Acting very different from sister, shes active, basks, eats, roams around.

Help!!
 
You have him too hot. Babies should be kept at 80 for basking. I know nothing about a mega ray bulb but 100 watt anything would be to hot.
 
I notice you are in Canada but have him in an all screen cage. You say you mist twice. I'm guessing that your humidity is too low. You might need to wrap plastic around 2 or even 3 sides to help hold in the humidity (the live plants you have will help!).
 
A month old is very young for people to sell on babies, they arent past the vulnerable stage :(

Good luck with your little guy
 
Is is low on the humidity side, about 25% in the room. I've been misting it about 3-4 times a day now, as well it was suggested to bring them into the bathroom with me when I shower for the extra humidity. I'm ging to try ths tomorrow. 1/2 of the enclosure is floor to top plants, the other side, I'm waiting for the pothos to climb. My reptile friend popped by tonight and gave him a bit of forcefeed mush (just around his mouth, not in) and we re-adjusted the light. Immediately they started basking...we are thinking it might be a heat issue as well as they are preparing to shed...cross your fingers for my babies!!
 
You need to get a digital hydrometer and thermometer :D Try and keep them at the right levels.

What UVB light are you using?

Sorry for all the edits... keep noticing things

Your suppliments, i've not heard of that, maybe someone else here has and will comment, but to me it sounds like an all in one which is required twice maybe three times a month. Chams require pure calcium daily. Do a search on the forum for veiled suppliments.

Hopefully your Rep friend has passed some knowledge on to you?!
 
Can you separate them? If one is going downhill you want to remove any possible stress from the other (possibly she's the dominant stronger one), remove any source of contagious disease that might be present, and to make sure he is getting a chance for drinking, feeding, choice of best perching access to light, moisture and basking. Yes, agree...it sounds too hot for babies.
 
I've been watching them, no bullying or anything going on. They only time they get in each others faces is when they are running from the mist lol. If I do spot any of that, I will separate them immediately. I know they will not be able to co-exist when they get older. They do stay far enough away from each other that they havent been competing over food at all. Plus I cup feed them and offer it to them individually to make sure each is getting their share (3-4 each). After they have eaten 2 each, I let the crickets out so they can hunt a bit.

Gary - I do have a digital thermometer, and i have a hygrometer in the room to measure room humidity. We found that mid 80's was too chilly for them, when we brought the lamp closer and held Mickey up to it, he immediately brightened up and flattened out to bask...after putting it above the tank (on a baking rack) Mallory started doing the same thing. Maybe my guys like it hot hot hot? ;) The UVB light is a Mega Ray 100W
 
I've been watching them, no bullying or anything going on. They only time they get in each others faces is when they are running from the mist lol. If I do spot any of that, I will separate them immediately. I know they will not be able to co-exist when they get older. They do stay far enough away from each other that they havent been competing over food at all. Plus I cup feed them and offer it to them individually to make sure each is getting their share (3-4 each). After they have eaten 2 each, I let the crickets out so they can hunt a bit.

Gary - I do have a digital thermometer, and i have a hygrometer in the room to measure room humidity. We found that mid 80's was too chilly for them, when we brought the lamp closer and held Mickey up to it, he immediately brightened up and flattened out to bask...after putting it above the tank (on a baking rack) Mallory started doing the same thing. Maybe my guys like it hot hot hot? ;) The UVB light is a Mega Ray 100W

3-4 appropriately sized crickets is not an appropriate amount for a chameleon that young. Their bones, muscles, organs, and skin are still developing at the fastest rate possible. I would suggest feeding 10-15 appropriately sized and well gutloaded feeders.
 
Sorry, i was under the impression that the Mega Ray was for the temperature not the UVB. Is it a combined bulb?

The dual domed bulbs arent very good for chameleons, it is suggested that you use linear tube bulbs for the UVB so the cham can escape from the heat and still absorb UVB elsewhere.

Pictures of your set up would be a great help :D If thats possible... and your chams, now we know their names it'd be nice to put a face to them ;)

I must stress this point too... "Your suppliments, i've not heard of that, maybe someone else here has and will comment, but to me it sounds like an all in one which is required twice maybe three times a month. Chams require pure calcium daily. Do a search on the forum for veiled suppliments."
 
Yeah thats an all in one which is required twice maybe three times a month.

Chams require pure calcium daily. Do a search on the forum for veiled suppliments.

And the bulb, is a combi of heat and uvb?
 
That product should only be used 2-6 times a month. The miner all wihout d3 should be used at most (almost all feedings as babies,) feedings. A vitamin supplement needs to be used once or twice a month as well.
 
ok I'll start to feed more, I do notice that they dont eat much past 8 total...i have crickets wandering around the enclosure for a day or so after.

i'm going to try to find a few smaller ones (picking up more tomorrow) and see if they will take em now...I'll let you know how successful I am...

in the interim - here is the supplement I am using http://www.petmountain.com/product/reptile-supplements/504800/sticky-tongue-farms-miner-all.html

That supplement is to be used twice a month on adult chameleons living indoors, and once a week on young baby- juvi chameleons. It goes to twice a month at around 5 months of age.

If your giving the that every day, likely your going to start overdosing. That can be the cause of your current problem - as well as future problems.

You will want http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog...d-cage-cleaners/-/rep-cal-calcium-without-d3/

to be used 5 times a week

http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog...cleaners/-/repcal-ultra-fine-calcium-with-d3/

to be used 1 time a week

http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog...ers/-/sticky-tongue-minerall-outdoor-formula/

to be used 1 time a week.

You currently have the indoor formula, which has D3 already. In my mind I would prefer to keep all things separate, for more efficient use.

Use the Repcal w/o d3 monday - friday
Repcal w/ d3 Saturday
Outdoor formula Sunday.

I would also offer them crickets about 2-3 times a day. Try offering about 5 the first time, the next time 2-4, the last time 2-4 as well. They should eat more that way. It will benefit them in the race to maturity.
 
I've been watching them, no bullying or anything going on. They only time they get in each others faces is when they are running from the mist lol. If I do spot any of that, I will separate them immediately.

Bullying can be very very subtle. Even having a "competitor" within visual range can stress a weaker cham especially one with health issues. It is a constant threat even without fighting.
 
ok im popping by the rep store tomorrow to grab smaller crickets and i will look at the other supps they have, I remember seeing another one, I think it was http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog...cleaners/-/repcal-ultra-fine-calcium-with-d3/ one. If thats all thats there, can i use the miner all every other day? It says on the bottle to use for babies every day though.

The buld is a combo UVB _ heat mercury bulb (if recall correctly) here it is http://www.reptileuv.com/megaray-sb-100-watt-self-ballasted-flood-uvb-lamp.php
 

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I'm glad to see you keeping your sense of humor. For most of us the first year is an adventure in "okay....so, what else am I wrong about?".
 
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