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While the shots are gorgeous, the idea to let a chameleon eat a hummingbird is disgusting imo. Such awesome little birds ... And another point: Imagine animal rights activist see pictures of a captive chameleon eat a native species for a snack ...

Well this expression wasn't invented by me, I just use it;)

You must differentiate between something which can be called ranched and real captive breed animals. It's not so difficult to catch gravid wc females and let them lay. And Jeremey, maybe you should ask Luis about his recent experiences with Olaf and the glorious exports

Just ask the guys who did the recent imports...

Maybe it's a cynical point of view, but after I did those imports, I understood why Africa is still struggeling and will for several decades more. If there was a real market for let's say Lacerta agilis or viridis, I would just not keep them, I would breed them in large numbers, because nothing...

The mentioned prices are more or less accurate, but like my pre-posters said, that's not all. You must pay the flight, which costs usual business-class like, you must pay for vet docs (although the animals were never checked), because we are in f#*king Africa you must often bribe sb (or maybe...

As I have imported personally from Madagascar before I've seen the (ridiculous) prices some months ago and wondered if it was just my exporteur who went nuts or if there was a general increase in prices. After talking with other people involved in import/export and reading through parts of this...

Yes, that's a yellow lip for sure.

Of course the genpool is limited if the animals are breed in captivity for several generations and most of the animals are breed by a handfull of people, but I don't see anything problematic with chameleons when it comes to this topic. Weak chameleons die usually long before adulthood and won't...

I've seen juveniles for 100€ and even below and that's inexpensive in my opinion. Yes and breed them and I was involved in those exports and that's what makes me quite angry when I'm reading things like WC as CB and so on. I reduce temps, especially during the night and light hours, but that's...

The more recent exports to the US were all CB animals. And with the price level of thamnobates in Europe it doesnt make any sense to even think about getting WC ones. So if there's a line which produces for several generations now in Europe but fails in the USA it might be a better idea to ask...

viridis and acuminatus from Kenya ?!?

No idea how to raise the juveniles but offering them already in the second post. I'm sure this will work. Another of these "I "work" on this and that "breeding projects"...

yes, all the time !

No 1 and 2 are real stunners :eek: Btw the chams are nice too ;)

What Carl said is correct, though the process differs extremely between the countries. At some places you just can apply for the export papers for a species and you will get them, without any background checks of the animals or any controls. At others, eg Germany, it's more important to be able...

Some people here breed Kinyongia species but fail to find serious buyers for the juveniles. I was involved in 2 or 3 exports of Bradypodion species with CB subadult-adult animals but the attempts to establish/breed them failed completely. Just check the first page of this forum. Half of the...

There are few, very few out there in the US and obviously they aren't copied enough. And there are few guys in Europe as well who do more for the hobby than 90% of the rest does. There are a few things which are shared by nearly all the people having success for generations/years. First of all...

No. There's NO room for experiments with chameleons. And if somebody who keeps and breeds them successfully says sth it should be seen as a low. And you know why ? Because this person belongs to the unbelievable small amount of people doing it right. The reason why the hobby has advanced so...

I don't want to provoke anybody, but why do you all bring the chameleons directly to the vet ? The process of the import is an huge amount of stress for them, even if it's organized by professionals like Jurgen. Especially when they land at the importers place and then are shipped for another...