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Thanks for all your replies here i am done this has gone no where but a bickering match i don't have time for.I came here to ask a few questions and some info was given thank you but name calling and such im done with Thank you all

Not at all. Forums are for talking about keeping ,breeding,raising etc etc. So all i asked was a few questions to what others think or have tested thats all nothing more or less.

Correct. Not comparing each other to each. JUST asking a question has anyone tested this thought without UV fully that's all nothing more nothing less.I never said i did use UV with all the chams we produced which was years ago just asked a question geeze.

Never had a issue with UV just asking questions and seeing what differences come back and why with best results with or

SURE THING not trying to start anything just asking questions. Ive kept panthers and bred them for many years,also tons of montiors species,lizards,snakes etc.

Just trying to see whats been tested. Not trying to prove anyone wrong or right just stating reports and asking if others tested this with chams as with other lizards have. A name is a NAME just cause it says cham king dosnt mean anything as you think.I don't claim to be its just a name.

Yes and no i've seen both ways. So all im asking is has anyone tested it FULLY without UV with chams.I personly dont use UV with other lizards and have great success in breeding,egg laying and hatching and never lost one to MBD and i know of many also who had same results.

That i will be doing BUT was asking IF anyone has tested it otherwise as i mentioned personly. No one has it seems

Their hasnt been written papers on it for them just breeders who used that method and have had excellent results without for iggys and beadies.So that brought me to the question has anyone ever tested it fully without as many species other than chams that were said to need it have been...

Is their any result for testing without as you cant test one way and once it has to be tested for generations. yes it wont hurt using it as it shows but CANT IT BE NOT USED is the question and what are the results

But it dont say if its needed just showing the results with it. What my main question was has anyone tested without UV and if so what results ?

Cause i dont reply FAST is ignoring your post im just busy and havnt had time to do a long write back.

Didnt say they wernt either way

As many think for years that IGGYS need UV but yet many raise them without and get same results as with it.Why the difference that chams MUST HAVE

I see many saying its needed but with no testing results to show either way with or with out.I don't go on if someone says yes its needed.

So can Iggys and beaded dragons but its been proven without it with many generations has it been proven with chameleons not to my knowledge.Everyone is afraid to test this as they see a ad for UV lights in a mag or else where and people believe what is said with no proven long term results its...

sorry i ask questions never again

Sold everything has been SOLD SOLD

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New cage left We only have the 1 48x24x24 silver new CAGE left and can ship. Thanks