Yellow cheeks and lips in Furcifer pardalis.

JonRich

JonRich

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So this topic has been coming up a lottt lately. And I'm really curious about it.

My question is . Are ALL Furcifer pardalis capable of having the yellow cheeks, eyes turrets and lips???

The Furcifer pardalis that I have seen that do have the yellows are WC/F1 Ambanjas and Nosy Faly.

I have noticed that 90% of the Furcifer pardalis I see have white markings in the "lips" and "cheeks", but only some Ambanjas and Falys have yellow shading incorporated into it (these just so happen to be WC/F1s). Are the white markings there to make the yellow stand out more?

And why is this "yellow" not the case in Ambliobes, Sambavas, etc.

ARE THEY ALL CAPABLE OF THE YELLOW? IS IT JUST A TRAIT FOR THESE LOCALS OR A DIET ISSUE. (Like Flamingos are with eating shrimps to get the pink pigment in their feathers)

Attached pix are of my F2 (possible F3) Ambanja, and my CB Ambanja showing the white "lip" i'm talking about. Is that area suposed to be yellow in Wild Chams?
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I did not have permission to add any photos of Chams showing this "yellow" coloring. So members that do own these please post for visual aid.
 
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Things to note . Ambanja is on the mainland and Faly is an island off the coast. So i don't think there is a geographic similarity between the two.
 
Humm. Unless it's a secret (which i'd understand). What diet are you offering your Cham. And do you think the "yellow" is a resuly of diet, or genetics?

Also is this guy WC/F1?

That is a nice Ambliobe by the way. A lott of white in his face.
 
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WC ambilobe. Typical diet of cricket,worms, and lots of wild bugs in Ohio during season. Standard gut loading fruits veggies.

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WC I forgot to mention. Added it to the above post as well.


I think it has to do with being breed in captivity as I see the same happen in WC geckos compared to CB .Not yellow lips of course .Im also not saying that CB panthers will not have yellow lips just seems more common and distinct in WC ones that I see.
 
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Mine (the one above) is a captive bred (not sure how many generations), fed Dubia and Horned Worms mainly.
 
JackP308 said:
WC I forgot to mention. Added it to the above post as well.


I think it has to do with being breed in captivity as I see the same happen in WC geckos compared to CB .Not yellow lips of course .Im also not saying that CB panthers will not have yellow lips just seems more common in WC ones that I see.
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So is it safe to say that it's something they are getting in the wild that is not available to them in captivity?

What insects do wild Chams eat? If anyone knows..

I mean like specific species of insects. Maybe that might hold a clue.

I have noticed over time that My Chams (and others in similar topic threads) are eating soil.

Could it be that they do this in the wild (maybe a behavior that is unknown/never witnessed in the wild?). I'm thinking sulfur!?

Are there any accounts of the kind of minerals present in the earth in Ambanja and Nosy Faly?
 
I don't have a clue what the difference in WC to CB but there is something that goes on . I try not to think that hard it hurts my head :D
 
How about people who are able to keep them outdoors most of the year? Any difference in coloration?

I've never really thought about it with chameleons, but bearded dragons will never achieve their color potential without exposure to real sunlight for lengthy periods (all day every day for weeks). Once achieved, indoor coloration from that point on becomes better as well. And coloration can improve after long sunlight exposure each summer-(it takes a couple months to see the difference after being outside 24/7- coloration becomes deeper and more saturated and brilliant) so year after year it gets better and better by the end of each summer exposure.

I wonder if it could be sunlight rather than diet for this color trait with the panthers...

Not saying it isn't diet, just that there is another possibility.

Coloration in leopard geckos is also greatly dependent on incubation temperatures...

So there's another possibility for you to consider.
 
fly and bees are maninly found in WC chams tummies..mabey pollen? thats something many of our CB chams dont get in their diet.
 
fluxlizard said:
How about people who are able to keep them outdoors most of the year? Any difference in coloration?


I wonder if it could be sunlight rather than diet for this color trait with the panthers...

Not saying it isn't diet, just that there is another possibility.

Coloration in leopard geckos is also greatly dependent on incubation temperatures...

So there's another possibility for you to consider.
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yea I don't think its diet thing necessarily either .
 
That yellow right on the lips I just thought was stained lips from juicy crickets, or horn worms. My Ambilobe Albus has it.
 
okiroo said:
fly and bees are maninly found in WC chams tummies..mabey pollen? thats something many of our CB chams dont get in their diet.
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I use the Repashy BugBurger and the Dino-Fuel/s. they both contain BeePolin.:D

No Yellows in my Chams cheeks, lips or turrets. But then again they have NEVERRR seen natural sunlight.
 
my CB Nosy Be has some pretty bright yellow lips. he's from The Chameleon Company, Sired by Greaseball(WC)

diet is mostly crickets, dubia and supers with hornworms and silks as treats.
 

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