Where are all those jacksoniis ?

[eisentrauti]

Hi,

in the States it's so easy to get jacksoniis, they are so cheap, they are sold in such big quantities, sometimes even gravid females are sold, but CB ones are really rare. Why ?


Best regards
Benny

 

[Sang]

in the US, its easy to get jacksonii xantholophus. jacksonii jacksonii is another story.

Females and WC males are easy to come buy, while jackson breeders of the xantho type have minimal success with breeding captive bred jacksons. the babies don't seem to do well, or get all the way to adulthood.

the lack of CB jacksons if you ask me is a lack in experience with breeders.

i think FL chams is the only place i have seen with juvenile jacksons. from what i understand is those are CB as well.

 

[Rocky]

I think its because xanths have a thriving colony in hawaii and they are easily brought across from there and sold. That would also be why there aren't as many CB because all that are brought in are WC and have a hard time acclimating to captivity.

I do think that the few captive born babies do fine once they make it past the 5 month mark or so. Mainly because most people do not know how to care for the babies or aren't expecting them.



I would like to start a successful group of meru's they are my favorite.

 

[Sang]

id love to as well rocky, but being in texas and AZ we got problems with temperatures.

 

[Cainschams]

id love to as well rocky, but being in texas and AZ we got problems with temperatures.

James!!! A window unit AC and a nice ultrasonic humidifier should cure those problems

 

[Klemins]

Economically it does not make much sense to consistently breed and sell Jacksonii Xantholophus. It is a similar case to Savannah Monitors. So many are imported for so cheap (relatively), that other than for fun, there is little market for CB animals. Doing so, and selling them to hobbyists such as ourselves is one thing and can be done on a smaller scale. But, large scale breeding does not seem much of an option due to the fact that many buyers are "casual" reptile keepers and not as into the chameleon hobby as us, often looking at these animals as disposable. When comparing the price of a WC vs CB, CB is likely going to be higher, resulting in more of these casual keepers opting for the cheaper WC. It is not quite as bad as Savannahs, as they can be had for 5 dollars a piece in some cases, but the concept is the same IMO.

 

[MEPOKEU]

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[eisentrauti]

Economically it does not make much sense to consistently breed and sell Jacksonii Xantholophus. It is a similar case to Savannah Monitors. So many are imported for so cheap (relatively), that other than for fun, there is little market for CB animals. Doing so, and selling them to hobbyists such as ourselves is one thing and can be done on a smaller scale. But, large scale breeding does not seem much of an option due to the fact that many buyers are "casual" reptile keepers and not as into the chameleon hobby as us, often looking at these animals as disposable. When comparing the price of a WC vs CB, CB is likely going to be higher, resulting in more of these casual keepers opting for the cheaper WC. It is not quite as bad as Savannahs, as they can be had for 5 dollars a piece in some cases, but the concept is the same IMO.

But people like Josh for example with his quadricornis show as well that there's a market for cb which are in another price niveau than their WC ancesters.
I mean what I've read xantholophus are with big advance the jacksonii species which is the most simple to breed.
Their juvenils are bigger, they have much more juvenils. I couldn't believe that all the guys who have pairs just don't care for their juvenils

 

[celine]

i live in south of france and i reproduce xantholophus since 2000
i ve got f3
For the babies it s not problem for their care

 

[celine]

gravid female with her male

 

[eisentrauti]

Great job, Celine ! I'm glad to give you a further pair in Hamm

 

[laurie]

James!!! A window unit AC and a nice ultrasonic humidifier should cure those problems

That is how I control temp & humidity for my new quad. works great.

 

[chamelisa]

Hi,

in the States it's so easy to get jacksoniis, they are so cheap, they are sold in such big quantities, sometimes even gravid females are sold, but CB ones are really rare. Why ?


Best regards
Benny

I have noticed that too. I don't prefer to work with live bearing species but I've had the Ch. (T) jacksonii xantholophus come in as rescues to me. They all went to new homes though, even the offspring.

I tried breeding merumontanus a couple of years ago or so. That was very difficult. I admire anyone who can get to F2 and beyond on those.

Andy at EcoRegional has jacksonii jacksonii available now I believe. It would be great if anyone having luck with the WCs could give it a go and not give up. It just won't be me.

 

[David Maguire]

jacksons are quite common in the uk it just happens that they sell out quickly or are just born wich to me is silly to sell at that age

 

[kenya]

I have 2.5 xantholophus, one being a gravid female. I am going to try to establish CBB lines from these guys.

 

[eisentrauti]

Great to hear ! Good luck with them

 

[AJA]

Economically it does not make much sense to consistently breed and sell Jacksonii Xantholophus. It is a similar case to Savannah Monitors. So many are imported for so cheap (relatively), that other than for fun, there is little market for CB animals. Doing so, and selling them to hobbyists such as ourselves is one thing and can be done on a smaller scale. But, large scale breeding does not seem much of an option due to the fact that many buyers are "casual" reptile keepers and not as into the chameleon hobby as us, often looking at these animals as disposable. When comparing the price of a WC vs CB, CB is likely going to be higher, resulting in more of these casual keepers opting for the cheaper WC. It is not quite as bad as Savannahs, as they can be had for 5 dollars a piece in some cases, but the concept is the same IMO.

I can see this point, however, just like your food, I would rather pay extra for organic then I would for conventional. After failing with WC, I would rather pay more for CB to promote and encourge captive breeding of healthy animals. I understand this may limit my options, and perhaps when I get enough experience I can go back to WC , IF there are no other options. I enjoy the montane and pyggies, so I am all for it and love to network

 

[Syn]

That is how I control temp & humidity for my new quad. works great.

I use a swamp cooler and kill two birds with one stone.