What's going on with my boy?

#21
Eh...he has it closed 80% if the time, and he will twitch in pain then close his eye if he looks in a certain direction. But he definitely has been keeping it open a lot more the last 2 days which is nice. I did buy Repashy vitamin A, but have been unsuccessful with having him eat a dusted bug. He hasn’t accepted food today or yesterday after he pooped (will just keep spitting out the bug). He’s probably gotten some on his tongue from the attempts though lol. So stubborn. We got his misting system finally set up today, have it set to 4X a day @ 6 minute intervals.
Do you have a drainage system setup as well? That's quite a bit of water you're pouring into the enclosure.
 

Brodybreaux25

Chameleon Enthusiast
#22
Next time you feed him try and take a few drops of water and mix your vit A in it, keep it watery. About 1/4 teaspoon. Get one of those syringes they use to give babies liquid oral medications and when he opens his mouth squirt it into the back of his throat from the side. This way he gets his A regardless...
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bimac6

Established Member
#23
Next time you feed him try and take a few drops of water and mix your vit A in it, keep it watery. About 1/4 teaspoon. Get one of those syringes they use to give babies liquid oral medications and when he opens his mouth squirt it into the back of his throat from the side. This way he gets his A regardless...
Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely do that. Putting liquids in is no problem but he's started to push any bugs I put in his mouth out with his tongue lol. It's so frustrating. All-in-all though, he's acting a little better, but definitely not anywhere near normal. Can't wait to hear back about the poop. I have a follow up appointment on Thursday, too.

Do you have a drainage system setup as well? That's quite a bit of water you're pouring into the enclosure.
I have not. Today will be the first day with the new schedule, so we're playing with it until we get it dialed in correctly. Then I'll look into adding some sort of draining system. :)
 
#24
Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely do that. Putting liquids in is no problem but he's started to push any bugs I put in his mouth out with his tongue lol. It's so frustrating. All-in-all though, he's acting a little better, but definitely not anywhere near normal. Can't wait to hear back about the poop. I have a follow up appointment on Thursday, too.



I have not. Today will be the first day with the new schedule, so we're playing with it until we get it dialed in correctly. Then I'll look into adding some sort of draining system. :)
Well I'll tell you right now that 6min mistings, although good, without a drainage system it's going to get water logged really fast. You'll need to wipe it out more frequently like every 2-3 days to avoid bacteria growth and your Cham getting sicker.
 

bimac6

Established Member
#26
I recommend a second vet opinion. His eye looks bad.
I agree Jann. :( What I plan on doing is going back to this vet one time (since I gave her the fecal anyway), then going to the vet you sent me in St Pete next. The blob looks slightly smaller today, but I don't know if it's me just being hopeful lol. Have you seen anything like this before??
 

jannb

Chameleon Enthusiast
#27
I agree Jann. :( What I plan on doing is going back to this vet one time (since I gave her the fecal anyway), then going to the vet you sent me in St Pete next. The blob looks slightly smaller today, but I don't know if it's me just being hopeful lol. Have you seen anything like this before??
I’m glad you plan to pursue this. I have not seen this problem before. There’s even an eye specialist in Tampa.
 

bimac6

Established Member
#28
I’m glad you plan to pursue this. I have not seen this problem before. There’s even an eye specialist in Tampa.
Chameleon eye specialist in Tampa? Would love to know their name.

I just brought him out to the tree again. The blob is just as big, maybe has moved a bit. Put some more terramycin in there too.
 

bimac6

Established Member
#30
Update: called the vet today as I hadn't heard back yet. Bernard has pinworms and they'll have his medicine (guessing it'll be panacure) ready by my Thursday appointment. This is relieving vs worrying about coccidia! I'm 99% positive his eye problem has nothing to do with his pinworms, but I feel like I will have a much more clear idea of how to help him on Thursday. Any tips for now? I understand coccidia is much more contagious than pinworms, and you have to do a SERIOUS cleaning job with it, but what should I do? His 2x2x4 cage is only about 2 weeks old. I figured I need to repot his plants with organic soil, but anything else? Should I do this before or after he starts his medicine?

Dr. Wolf at Eye Care for Animals.
Thanks so much, Jann. Going to bring him over to Dr Anderson on Thursday to get his pinworm medicine and talk to her about his eye not improving. If she's still acting like it's no big deal, I'm going to go and see him.
 
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alphakenc

Chameleon Enthusiast
#31
Treatment for pinworm is just a temporary fix,the most important thing for u to find out is,how did the pinworm find him as a host in the first place??
Could it be ur feeder source? Another pet from ur house...etc etc,prevent to happen again its the most important thing to do .
Take down the whole cage(disinfect in and out) will be ur priority list next.
 

bimac6

Established Member
#32
Treatment for pinworm is just a temporary fix,the most important thing for u to find out is,how did the pinworm find him as a host in the first place??
Could it be ur feeder source? Another pet from ur house...etc etc,prevent to happen again its the most important thing to do .
Take down the whole cage(disinfect in and out) will be ur priority list next.
He could've had them from the start for all I know, I never got him checked, and from what I've been reading pinworms can be dormant for a long time before any symptoms really show. On top of that, I never repotted any plants I've given him, and soil seems to be a common way for these guys to contract pinworms. My plan is to repot all of his plants with organic soil. His feeders come from a local reptile shop, so I don't really know.

When you say disinfect, soapy water is enough for pinworms, right? I've been going through a lot of posts and the consensus is that pinworms aren't a huge deal, and coccidia is the one that you have to do a major disinfect with. And again, can I start this now or do I wait until he starts or after he finishes his medicine? I plan on asking all of this at the vet on Thursday as well.
 
#33
He could've had them from the start for all I know, I never got him checked, and from what I've been reading pinworms can be dormant for a long time before any symptoms really show. On top of that, I never repotted any plants I've given him, and soil seems to be a common way for these guys to contract pinworms. My plan is to repot all of his plants with organic soil. His feeders come from a local reptile shop, so I don't really know.

When you say disinfect, soapy water is enough for pinworms, right? I've been going through a lot of posts and the consensus is that pinworms aren't a huge deal, and coccidia is the one that you have to do a major disinfect with. And again, can I start this now or do I wait until he starts or after he finishes his medicine? I plan on asking all of this at the vet on Thursday as well.
Pinworms are an easy fix with Panacur. Any chameleon that eats can get parasites. Here's how my vet explained it to me. The wild lizards, such as anoles just love the cricket farms. They will jump in the cricket bins to have some lunch and then they poop. Crickets eat everything. All wild caught lizards have parasites. Then you buy crickets and it happens to have one of the crickets in your box that ate the poop and your chameleon eats the poop, then he gets parasites. My vet recommends they be check for parasites 3 to 4 times a year. This is true for most feeders not just crickets.
 

bimac6

Established Member
#35
Pinworms are an easy fix with Panacur. Any chameleon that eats can get parasites. Here's how my vet explained it to me. The wild lizards, such as anoles just love the cricket farms. They will jump in the cricket bins to have some lunch and then they poop. Crickets eat everything. All wild caught lizards have parasites. Then you buy crickets and it happens to have one of the crickets in your box that ate the poop and your chameleon eats the poop, then he gets parasites. My vet recommends they be check for parasites 3 to 4 times a year. This is true for most feeders not just crickets.
Makes total sense to me, and now that this has happened I will definitely get him checked more often. I never had a fecal done on any other cham I've had!
 

bimac6

Established Member
#36
His pupil shape is not normal. I feel quite certain that he is suffering from a vitamin A deficiency!
He has something obstructing and irritating his right eye quite badly, and I'm not going to go in and get it, as I'm afraid it's a part of his eye. I purchased a vitamin A supplement since creating this thread, and I've been giving it to him, but I seriously doubt that it'll get rid of whatever is in his eye.
 
#37
You aren't going to like this but you should just ditch any plants he's had contact with there is no way to disinfect them and since their leaves are what he drinks from he can reinfect. If it is only pinworms and not coccidia you can disinfect everything between treatments. Just keep removing any poop as it occurs during the treatments and do another disinfection at the end.
 

alphakenc

Chameleon Enthusiast
#38
He could've had them from the start for all I know, I never got him checked, and from what I've been reading pinworms can be dormant for a long time before any symptoms really show. On top of that, I never repotted any plants I've given him, and soil seems to be a common way for these guys to contract pinworms. My plan is to repot all of his plants with organic soil. His feeders come from a local reptile shop, so I don't really know.

When you say disinfect, soapy water is enough for pinworms, right? I've been going through a lot of posts and the consensus is that pinworms aren't a huge deal, and coccidia is the one that you have to do a major disinfect with. And again, can I start this now or do I wait until he starts or after he finishes his medicine? I plan on asking all of this at the vet on Thursday as well.
Pinworm will need several doses of the medication to get rid of them,since the adult pinworm is easy to kill but the cycle of the remaining pinworm eggs will need to be eliminated all to make sure they wont reinfest in ur cham after.
A total cage clean is a must before the pinworm or eggs find the host on ur cham later.
As far as the cage cleaning,personally I will use diluted bleach water 50/50 to submerge ur empty cage in a big bath tub and rinse it completely couple times,remember to wear some plastic glove while u doing that,since its very easy to pick those tiny eggs up on ur bare hand n transfer to elsewhere ,after u using the diluted bleach,u can also apply the vinegar on ur empty cage,since the vinegar will create an unsuitable living environment for the pinworm (strong acidity) and the pinworm usually prefer sugary environment,even human can get pinworms too,causing anal or vaginal itching, insomnia, irritability, restlessness, abdominal pain and nausea all sorts of the problem,just imagine the chameleon feel on their tiny portion of their body ....
Also throw away all ur live plants inside ur cage if there is any since u can not pour bleach or vinegar on them.
Sometimes u will have to do this couple times,just in case those tiny pinworm eggs hatch on the place that u miss to disinfect n the whole pinworm cycle will restart all over again.
 
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