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Justin Carl
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ok i saw the video and was curious to know
thank you
thank you
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Justin Carl
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yea pretty sad. are these chameleons available? i wouldnt get one, but it would seem like husbandry would be easy. sand, rocks, a bush and crickets
Will Hayward
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Chamaeleo namaquensis range is within South Africa, which does not export animals at all. It is likely never going to be legally available.
This is just one little clip from the National Geographic documentary called "The Dragons of Namib". It's about 45 minutes long and is a great watch. (And it's in English)
This is just one little clip from the National Geographic documentary called "The Dragons of Namib". It's about 45 minutes long and is a great watch. (And it's in English)
Justin Carl
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ok! will you are spot on every time! haha
Will Hayward
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Haha, well I'm sure Kent knew all that, I just expanded on the topic.
There are a few copies of the full video online if you look in the right places. There might be a few archived threads on this forum that contain the links if you can't find it from a google search.
There are a few copies of the full video online if you look in the right places. There might be a few archived threads on this forum that contain the links if you can't find it from a google search.
Justin Carl
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ill give it a good search. i will let you know if i find it.
Thanks
Thanks
Trace
Captain Awesome
Easy eh? One has to mimic desert conditions ranging from 0C to 40C daily combined with early morning rainfall/dew from low cloud cover. Chamaeleo namaquensis have never been successfully kept long term in captivity for precisely those reasons.
Download the video and admire them from that.
Trace
Will Hayward
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Hahahaahaaa. I thought about making a similar comment on that. Instead I just urged him to see the movie. Eitherway, it's not a species that in general would do well long term in captivity no matter how much effort and design could be put into their keeping.
Trace, do you know of any documentation of anyones work past with them?
Trace, do you know of any documentation of anyones work past with them?
Trace
Captain Awesome
Yes. Yes I do. And the name escapes me right now. Let me sleep on it.
If I remember correctly, they set up a huge desert room for the species, and were successful with them for a few months but ultimately it was those extremes that they were unable to replicate.
I don't think they've been in captivity since.
Trace
Will Hayward
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Danke. You've got my contact should you remember.
summoner12
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Cool, but sad.
It makes keeping a veiled seem like childs-play.
It makes keeping a veiled seem like childs-play.
Justin Carl
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oh.lol well didnt know it had to get that cold! yea that would seem to be little problem.lol here boy go it the cage with 2MVB and 5 100watt regulat bulbs. here boy its bed time, into the freezer.
Michael Trueger and maybe Jurgen Pietschmann if I remember right.
http://www.brookesia.de/include.php?src=http://www.chamaeleo.com/namaquensis
Regards.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
I know Michael was working with them but I don't know if Juergen was. I don't think that either of them published anything on their experiences with them (assuming you're correct about Juergen) before they died. Ron Tremper worked with them in the mid 90s and wrote this blurb about them for me for the original CCIC (I just haven't finished updating all the species profiles and put it back up):
"Namib Chameleon (Chamaeleo namaquensis)
by Ron Tremper, Center for Reptile & Amphibian Propagation
Boerne, TX
In May 1995, the Namibian Wildlife Department gave us collecting and
export CITES permits for 5.10 Namaquas.
The area around Spitzkoppe had a dense population and from sunrise to
10:00 a.m. it was easy to find 15 chameleons per outing.
Only males were found in thorn bushes off the ground during the activity
period while females were always found on the ground and at temperatures
below 87F.
Males are colored tan and yellow and females are black and pink.
All 15 chameleons survived hand-transport back to our Texas facility and
were housed in three different conditions: 1) free-ranging outdoors
2) caged outdoors 3) caged indoors.
Six females laid clutches ranging in size from 10-18 eggs. The small
clutch size for such a robust lizard is due to the eggs size. Eggs
frequently measured 1.0 to 1.5" long.
Young hatched in 150 days and measured 2.5 to 3.0" in length. Sexes of
the hatchlings could be readily determined by color at birth.
Some 27 robust young from 6 different clutches hatched healthy.
Adult Namaquas are capable of eating 100-200 food items per day.
This is how they get their water needs in the terribly dry Namib.
Insect prey is merely crushed and the liquids extracted during
digestion. The large amounts of exoskeletons are passed through their
system quickly. This phenomena has been reported in the literature.
Sadly, and as I reported during my speech at the 1996 International Herp
Symposium, over the next six months all the adults and young died by
January of that same year.
The reasons for these losses is still only conjecture, but since the
Namaqua has evolved such a complex method of acquiring water I feel that
the Texas air humidity and/or the offering of external water sources
offered may have caused the failures.
The Namaqua is in good standing in its natural habitat even though many
are killed on the roads. It is not collected for the pet trade and
there are thousands of acres of prime habitat left in Namibia.
I want to thank the Namibian government for their assistance and
support."
Definitely not an easy species.
Chris
"Namib Chameleon (Chamaeleo namaquensis)
by Ron Tremper, Center for Reptile & Amphibian Propagation
Boerne, TX
In May 1995, the Namibian Wildlife Department gave us collecting and
export CITES permits for 5.10 Namaquas.
The area around Spitzkoppe had a dense population and from sunrise to
10:00 a.m. it was easy to find 15 chameleons per outing.
Only males were found in thorn bushes off the ground during the activity
period while females were always found on the ground and at temperatures
below 87F.
Males are colored tan and yellow and females are black and pink.
All 15 chameleons survived hand-transport back to our Texas facility and
were housed in three different conditions: 1) free-ranging outdoors
2) caged outdoors 3) caged indoors.
Six females laid clutches ranging in size from 10-18 eggs. The small
clutch size for such a robust lizard is due to the eggs size. Eggs
frequently measured 1.0 to 1.5" long.
Young hatched in 150 days and measured 2.5 to 3.0" in length. Sexes of
the hatchlings could be readily determined by color at birth.
Some 27 robust young from 6 different clutches hatched healthy.
Adult Namaquas are capable of eating 100-200 food items per day.
This is how they get their water needs in the terribly dry Namib.
Insect prey is merely crushed and the liquids extracted during
digestion. The large amounts of exoskeletons are passed through their
system quickly. This phenomena has been reported in the literature.
Sadly, and as I reported during my speech at the 1996 International Herp
Symposium, over the next six months all the adults and young died by
January of that same year.
The reasons for these losses is still only conjecture, but since the
Namaqua has evolved such a complex method of acquiring water I feel that
the Texas air humidity and/or the offering of external water sources
offered may have caused the failures.
The Namaqua is in good standing in its natural habitat even though many
are killed on the roads. It is not collected for the pet trade and
there are thousands of acres of prime habitat left in Namibia.
I want to thank the Namibian government for their assistance and
support."
Definitely not an easy species.
Chris
Justin Carl
Avid Member
that is amzing how certain animals fit so tightly into a niche.
What is even more amzing is how we cannot supply a natural setting.
Even with all the technology and brain power, people still cant recreate a natural habitat for these animals to survive in.
What is even more amzing is how we cannot supply a natural setting.
Even with all the technology and brain power, people still cant recreate a natural habitat for these animals to survive in.
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Dankmeleon
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makes you wonder if it was something simple