What do I have here?
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reptoman
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I will get better pics of him tomorrow. He most likely has parasites and is dehydrated so he may not present with the coloration that he will once these issues are treated. Thanks for the interest. Believe me, I hope you are correct. For a brief moment when I just went to look at him, he appeared light blue with a very yellow neck but he darkened up pretty quick after I shined the flashlight on him. This is what he looks like right now.
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Is he doing good man I love his horns
reptoman
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Is he doing good man I love his horns
Hes coming along slowly. I am pretty sure I will be finding worms of some type in a fecal. He is closing his eyes for a little bit during the day but he continues to drink pretty well. I'll do everything I can to get this guy in good shape.
I am sure you will do awesome with him
he was the best out of the bunch at the show with all that blue one him
Solid Snake
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Honestly, he doesnt look like any jackson I have seen.
I wouldnt know what to call it, seeing that picture.
I can see that the head doesnt match a jack jack, like Trace said.
It doesnt look xanth to me either though.
Maybe its a mix? (dont kill me for saying that, its possible)
xanthoman
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well, i think we can rule out j jacksonii for sure. ive never had a meru and only glanced at them in person, so, ill just post a couple of links and let everyone decide for them selves.
the animal shown is stressed and not in very good shape which makes it harder, but i will say imo it doesnt have typical xanth yellow distribution which would normally be predominately along the crest of the spine (therefore yellow crested xantholophus) but then so can merus's, if that helps confuse the matter.
a cf member recently had a pair of merus for sale maybe you should pm him.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/att...6140-mt-meru-jacksons-chameleon-pair-male.jpg
i think this guy is a cf member but dont think he has posted recently.
but anyway he has lots of great meru and xanth pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merumontanus
/sets/72157624365836684/
fl chams has some good pics;
http://www.flchams.com/inventory_all.asp?id=1034
sort of curious as to how the whole, wc meru thing works, because merus only come from a small locale, in tanzania whose export policies change frequently, but as far as i am aware, does not allow export of wc chams of any species. further a wc meru would imo, likely require cites documentation of origin. as far as i am aware, there are no established non native populations of merus. of course that really proves nothing since the much of the same applies to xanths. hawaii, does not allow commercial export of wc xanths so imo, any xanths labeled as wc should be considered of questionable legality as well.
and there are plenty of meru vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22nv99EUdfs
http://vimeo.com/19916089
i think the tiki tiki guy is experienced in meru's so you could email him.
also merus are significantly smaller, so if he is much over 50 g, i would say xanth. but i will say i have had several male xanths and no 2 were ever identically colored, but i have never had or seen any with the yellow mostly in the shoulders, but, doesnt mean there arent any.
also i suppose he could be a willigensis, a very xanth like cham but technically not a jacksons. i dont know much about them either except that like xanths, they are bigger than merus.
whatever he is, if he dont get some balanced husbandry soon he wont be anything but dead. jmo
the animal shown is stressed and not in very good shape which makes it harder, but i will say imo it doesnt have typical xanth yellow distribution which would normally be predominately along the crest of the spine (therefore yellow crested xantholophus) but then so can merus's, if that helps confuse the matter.
a cf member recently had a pair of merus for sale maybe you should pm him.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/att...6140-mt-meru-jacksons-chameleon-pair-male.jpg
i think this guy is a cf member but dont think he has posted recently.
but anyway he has lots of great meru and xanth pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/merumontanus
/sets/72157624365836684/
fl chams has some good pics;
http://www.flchams.com/inventory_all.asp?id=1034
sort of curious as to how the whole, wc meru thing works, because merus only come from a small locale, in tanzania whose export policies change frequently, but as far as i am aware, does not allow export of wc chams of any species. further a wc meru would imo, likely require cites documentation of origin. as far as i am aware, there are no established non native populations of merus. of course that really proves nothing since the much of the same applies to xanths. hawaii, does not allow commercial export of wc xanths so imo, any xanths labeled as wc should be considered of questionable legality as well.
and there are plenty of meru vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22nv99EUdfs
http://vimeo.com/19916089
i think the tiki tiki guy is experienced in meru's so you could email him.
also merus are significantly smaller, so if he is much over 50 g, i would say xanth. but i will say i have had several male xanths and no 2 were ever identically colored, but i have never had or seen any with the yellow mostly in the shoulders, but, doesnt mean there arent any.
also i suppose he could be a willigensis, a very xanth like cham but technically not a jacksons. i dont know much about them either except that like xanths, they are bigger than merus.
whatever he is, if he dont get some balanced husbandry soon he wont be anything but dead. jmo
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Solid Snake
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If this is a credible source: http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxon/id513442/
It would seem that reptoman has a jacksonii jacksonii.
They look quite similar.
The color of the horns is the same/similar.
There is the same/similar yellow streaking.
The same/similar tubercle scales on the body/hind leg.
If everyone will forgive me my blatent "theft" here is a side by side I have put together:
I strongly feel that it is a jack jack at this point.
It would seem that reptoman has a jacksonii jacksonii.
They look quite similar.
The color of the horns is the same/similar.
There is the same/similar yellow streaking.
The same/similar tubercle scales on the body/hind leg.
If everyone will forgive me my blatent "theft" here is a side by side I have put together:
I strongly feel that it is a jack jack at this point.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
I still say Xantholophus. His slightly different color could be due to his present health. I hope he improves, he may have some nice coloring.
reptoman
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Despite running a nearly constant drip and trying the best I could to get him to recover this guy did not make it. I found him dead on the cage floor this morning. He stopped drinking and eating yesterday. That was the my first experience with a jacksons but I will try again and with CB from a breeder and not WC from a show. I should have known better but now I know what to look for in a healthy jacksons. Thanks for all the replies on this thread.
O man that is so sad 
Solid Snake
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Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
This animal is a somewhat thin/dehydrated subadult Trioceros jacksonii xantholophus, there is absolutely no question about it. Look at how the conical scales on the dorsal crest are doubled up and then look at photos of the three subspecies to compare.
Chris
Chris
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Tanzania shut down export of all wildlife in August but it appears to have possibly opened again (haven't seen an official announcement from the government but I don't know that there would be a press release and a few shipments have come in). There are annual quotas for WC of this and many species but at this point there is still a moratorium on animal shipments with many of the European airlines due to their winter, so we haven't seen many shipments because of this.
As for requiring CITES documents, that is only for import/export. They do not require CITES to be sold within the US
There is no such thing as "willigensis". Its a made up subspecies named after a smuggler who brought back colorful T. j. jacksonii and tried to market them as something different.
Chris
James45
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Gonna have to agree with Trace here looks like a Xanth to me.
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