pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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Weird Ribs help!
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I am getting offline for the night but I am tagging in a few of our other experienced Veiled keepers. @kinyonga @MissSkittles @AmandaS
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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so the bright green was a few weeks ago and the window was a week and a 1/2 and the ribs that look weird are today. Yes this is the first clutch. I have a dig box, privacy screen etc. set up for her. still no eggs
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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I use calcium without D3 and i also have some with. then i use repivite with D3 3 or more times a month and calcium daily. i have correct UBV as well.
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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when she moves the ribs look normal
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I would recommend using a PHOS free calcium powder lightly at all feedings but one a week....on that one alternate between a PHOS free calcium/D3powder and a vitamin powder with a prEformed source of vitamin A and no D3. All dusted lightly on the insects.
If the supplements and light are off then it could be the start of MBD.
Is your UVB light the long linear tube light type or a compact?
If the supplements and light are off then it could be the start of MBD.
Is your UVB light the long linear tube light type or a compact?
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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i have the 5.0 linear UBV. i will look for the PHOS free and order some. what is the difference between preformed and proformed?
Preformed vitamin A is ready to go...already in the form of vitamin A...look for words like retinol, retinyl, acetate in the list. Preformed vitamin A can build up in the system and lead to health issues. It's also antagonistic to vitamin D3 so it needs to be in balance with it.
PrOformed vitamin A has to be converted into vitamin A by the body so it can't be overdosed....but there is controversy as to whether chameleons can convert it or can convert enough of it so its recommended to use some preformed carefully so the preformed doesn't lead to an overdose. Look for words like beta carotene for proformed.
Without D3 the body can't absorb the calcium. The D3 can come from UVB or from the supplement...but you have to be careful with the supplements because the D3 in them can build up in the system and lead to MBD. D3 from the UVB shouldn't overdose if the chameleon can move in and out of it at will.
Phos, vitamin D3, vitamin A and calcium all need to be in balance to end up with good strong bones, muscles, etc.
PrOformed vitamin A has to be converted into vitamin A by the body so it can't be overdosed....but there is controversy as to whether chameleons can convert it or can convert enough of it so its recommended to use some preformed carefully so the preformed doesn't lead to an overdose. Look for words like beta carotene for proformed.
Without D3 the body can't absorb the calcium. The D3 can come from UVB or from the supplement...but you have to be careful with the supplements because the D3 in them can build up in the system and lead to MBD. D3 from the UVB shouldn't overdose if the chameleon can move in and out of it at will.
Phos, vitamin D3, vitamin A and calcium all need to be in balance to end up with good strong bones, muscles, etc.
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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when i got home her ribs did not look like that… i am so confused!! i took the picture at 2:30 before i went in and my bf checked too said she didn’t look like that either. when i got home she was sleeping but her ribs looked totally normal. still going to call the vet.
MissSkittles
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A vet visit is always the right choice with chameleons. An x ray can show if she has eggs and what level of development they are currently in, along with the entire skeletal system. Since you’ll be going, it’s always a good idea to take a fresh fecal sample for parasites testing too. Please do keep us posted.
Brodybreaux25
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What your seeing are broken ribs. Her body is likely stealing calcium from her bones to form the eggs. As mentioned above, an X-ray can answer both the egg and breaks question.
That's why I was asking about the supplements.
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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Thank you! I will definitely keep you posted!! Didn’t think of the fecal great idea!
pheobesmomhasitgoingon
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I’ve had her for over a year now never had any issues till i now since she’s getting ready for eggs i am so confused and worried i will keep you updated thank you for all your help! this was the day i got her
Brodybreaux25
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On the right track as always. I was simply explaining what the OP was seeing, not undercutting your well informed advice.
I know that's what you were doing! Glad you explained it!
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