Chameleons Northwest
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Wanted, male Chamaeleo Jacksonii Jacksonii. Juvenile or Adult OK. PM if you have one for sale. Thank you.
Wanted male C. Jacksonii Jacksonii
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Good luck with this, I have been looking for one for a year.
Chameleons Northwest
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Ah, it will be a race then, to see who gets one first. If I hear of more than 1 available I will really try to remember to let you know. And would you do the same for me? Thanks!
Chameleons Northwest
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Yes, I did call him and email him to let him know I'm in the market for one. I don't understand all about cites, but I believe these do come in from farms sometimes.
Kent67
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Sandy! I thought you were gonna let me know first if you found more than one 
With the Ch. j.j.'s it's not so much about CITES permits. Kenya itself doesn't allow "game" species to be exported, unless they are farm-raised, which supposedly, these were. The fact that 95% of the imported Kenyan Jackson's and Ch. hoehnelli were full-grown at import and died within just a few months of coming in, leaves me with some doubts about their true source. Apparently shipments of Ch. j.j. in the past had been smuggled out of Kenya to another African country and then imported into the US and Europe.
With the Ch. j.j.'s it's not so much about CITES permits. Kenya itself doesn't allow "game" species to be exported, unless they are farm-raised, which supposedly, these were. The fact that 95% of the imported Kenyan Jackson's and Ch. hoehnelli were full-grown at import and died within just a few months of coming in, leaves me with some doubts about their true source. Apparently shipments of Ch. j.j. in the past had been smuggled out of Kenya to another African country and then imported into the US and Europe.
Chameleons Northwest
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Sandy! I thought you were gonna let me know first if you found more than one
Hopefully somewhere in this country there's a chameleon geek breeding these in his basement. We'll find so many they'll be selling like flapnecks.
Uh, oh. That may explain why c.j.j. keepers are in the closet. So, do I have to feel guilty and ashamed if I buy one? Or should I just "ask no questions, for conscience' sake"?
Kent67
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I'm really not sure. Everyone I've talked to seem convinced they were truly farm-bred, but who knows. Maybe the export/import process is just too rough on them....and they hang on to all of the animals they produce for a year + to reach adulthood....At any rate, from the accounts I've read, the standard Jackson's are far from being threatened by the pet trade, unlike some other chameleon species with much higher demand and a CITES import suspension in place.
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