Veiled Chams Fighting??

[Libren470]

SO i have two veiled chameleons from the same clutch (line related) and at night time only they become kind of vicious towards one another. There both 4 months old now and in healthy condition. One is a male which had moments of being territorial and the other is its gentle sister lol. They also live under the same enclosure which is big enough for them both. The male will usually get puffed out with spots and very vibrant and begin to lunge his head at her body repeatedly. SO she obviously then runs off to a different part of the cage, yet sometimes shes known to instigate. Any advise i would appreciate, i know i cant be the only one with blood related chameleons.

 

[carol5208]

I would say don't house them together. It doesn't sound like a very good situation for the female. I am sure she is very stressed out.

 

[YumeKitsune4]

You should probably house them separately. It's not recommended to house 2 chameleons together

 

[Syn]

So you see the aggression, and you see the territorial behavior... yet you make a thread about it and ask for info? Common sense says take them out of this bad situation, I would hope...

Please remove them and get them into different enclosures. "Blood related" doesn't matter when it comes to instinct.

 

[bridgofaith]

They should be seperated. How do you know the enclosure is "big enough for them both"? In another post you made you say they are already trying to mate. They are 4 months old. They are related. I don't want to get into an arguement about inbreeding, regardless, they are both to young. Each should be housed seperately, where they can't see each other. PLEASE read and research on the proper way to keep chameleons.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/sad-tale-2-chameleons-housed-together-14453/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/general-care-true-chameleons-5943/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/basic-husbandry-38769/
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/2007/12/keeping-female-veiled.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/some-thoughts-breeding-2612/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/cost-raising-69-baby-veileds-18467/

 

[Olimpia]

Syn is right, being related doesn't usually mean anything to animals. He's still going to want to mate with her eventually because she's the only female he has access to.

I agree with everyone else. It's just going to be better to get another cage for one of them and have them live separately.

 

[Libren470]

ALrighty then...

Thanks for all of your guys feedback even if it was ...semi-harsh.

 

[lisa h]

Thanks for all of your guys feedback even if it was ...semi-harsh.

"Semi-harsh". Really?! Common sense more like it, and if that's becoming uncommon, then even the least bit of research on your part should have given you the answer. Harsh is not other people offering up their time to provide you with advise and links you could have easily found yourself.

Call me harsh, 'cause I am.

 

[Syn]

"Semi-harsh". Really?! Common sense more like it, and if that's becoming uncommon, then even the least bit of research on your part should have given you the answer. Harsh is not other people offering up their time to provide you with advise and links you could have easily found yourself.

Call me harsh, 'cause I am.

So harsh!

But in all honesty, I agree. The research that should have been done would have shown this isn't good, and even without it, common sense would have said, "hey, is fighting healthy?"

 

[Libren470]

First of all..

I appreciate everyones advise first of all and common sense already told me to seperate them i was just curious on what everyone else thought. So Lisa dont get all upset..im sure your lifes ok.
Btw i did more then enough research and have a whole lot of experience with chameleons already. This was the first time i had chameleons so young trying to mate..hence my thread in the beginning.
So relax

 

[Syn]

I appreciate everyones advise first of all and common sense already told me to seperate them i was just curious on what everyone else thought. So Lisa dont get all upset..im sure your lifes ok.
Btw i did more then enough research and have a whole lot of experience with chameleons already. This was the first time i had chameleons so young trying to mate..hence my thread in the beginning.
So relax

Was it mating, or was it just showing aggression?

When using the words "usually" and "known", this means it is not something that has only been happening for a short period of time. This means you have been observing it for a while before separating them.

Is that a picture of your chameleons fighting/stressing each other out in your avatar?

People are trying to offer you advice and help you prevent accidents in the future. After this post, people may not be so willing to help, for "fear" of getting these replies in return.

So, relax.

 

[bridgofaith]

I appreciate everyones advise first of all and common sense already told me to seperate them i was just curious on what everyone else thought. So Lisa dont get all upset..im sure your lifes ok.
Btw i did more then enough research and have a whole lot of experience with chameleons already. This was the first time i had chameleons so young trying to mate..hence my thread in the beginning.
So relax

Ok, wait a minute. That is fine to ask other peoples opinions, no problem there. But if you have done "more than enough research and have a whole lot of experience with chameleons already", then it shouldn't matter that they are young, it should have been an instant reaction to remove them from the situation. Please don't take this wrong, but when you ask this question and make the statement about having done your research and all of your experience, well, the responses are likely to be a little heated.

 

[VeiledOwner87]

SO i have two veiled chameleons from the same clutch (line related) and at night time only they become kind of vicious towards one another. There both 4 months old now and in healthy condition. One is a male which had moments of being territorial and the other is its gentle sister lol. They also live under the same enclosure which is big enough for them both. The male will usually get puffed out with spots and very vibrant and begin to lunge his head at her body repeatedly. SO she obviously then runs off to a different part of the cage, yet sometimes shes known to instigate. Any advise i would appreciate, i know i cant be the only one with blood related chameleons.

i'm sorry to say, but no enclosure tends to be big enough for two in captivity. some chams have been able to do that, but it is always advised never to do this. 4 months old enough to claim territory and in my beliefes, should be seperated as soon as they reach juvenile age, around 2.5-3 months.

it does not make any difference if they are from the same bloodline or not, stress, agression and territory defense will still take place, and i suggest you dont try breeding these two blood lines down the road. breeding of the same clutch and same bloodline does lead way to genetic mutation. and imo nobody wants a 75 count clutch of messed up looking chameleons

 

[lisa h]

I appreciate everyones advise first of all and common sense already told me to seperate them i was just curious on what everyone else thought. So Lisa dont get all upset..im sure your lifes ok.
Btw i did more then enough research and have a whole lot of experience with chameleons already. This was the first time i had chameleons so young trying to mate..hence my thread in the beginning.
So relax

I'm not upset at all and my life is fabulous. Thank you for your concern. Since you mention that you've done "enough research" and have "a whole lot of experience" I now think your original post was ridiculous and a waste of everyone's time. With all you know you obviously knew the answer, so maybe just testing us?!

I'm still relaxed and chillin'. Your post is hardly enough to ruffle my feathers.

 

[Libren470]

Well thank you..

Thanks to everyone who responded to my thread