Veiled chameleon basking a lot and seeming kind of inactive

[georg_the_cham]

Hey all, first time cham owner so I‘m probably over careful but I‘m just trying to give my cham a good life.

Georg is about 9 months old and is in my care for about 3-4 weeks. I built the enclosure myself out of wood - it‘s about 120cm in height x 86cm width and 60cm long. The „walls“ are all an aluminium mesh/screen. I use live plants - a money tree, a ficus and a pothos. Some live branches from the garden for him to climb on.

Unfortunatly it seems kind of hard in my homecountry to find linear UVB bulbs, I mostly found UV with heat bulbs (like a combination of both). I talked a while with the guy from the shop I got Georg from and he told me he is breeding chams for about 15 years and now mostly uses this kind of bulbs. So due to a lack of alternatives I got this combination bulb in 75watts and placed it in a dome ontop of my enclosure with enough space between the basking branch and the bulb (according to the information on the bulbs package).

Due to not really finding other good feeders except for crickets, I mostly feed him that (gutloading with carrots, some cucumber, a little salad and oatmeal or breadcrumbs). I feed him about 10 +- crickets every day, dusted with plain calcium (btw -> is that enough/ to much?)

He was going through a shedd about a week ago - a little skin-to-shed is still present.

BUT - I noticed that he is not really moving all that much throughout the day. He mostly stays on one of his basking branches, maybe moving a bit back and forth. Also most of the time his skin is in a dark green kind of color (i guess to absorb the heat better), but the temps should actually be fine. I meassured about 28-32 deg Celsius on the basking spots he uses. The ambient temp in his enclosure is somewhere between 23-25 deg Celsius. So I would assume his body temp should be high enough, but the fact he isn‘t really „exploring“ or doing kind of anything else except for sitting in the basking area and beeing darker makes me wonder if he needs it warmer or if something else is of.

His poop looks normal, urinat is whitish and paste like and he currently poops every day. I read that cham poop should be odor less, but his poop still smells a bit, not really bad or anything (if i squish it while picking it up the smell gets more intense, like when you step in dog poo)
His eyes arent sunken in and overall he doesnt look to weak. In my opinion is the crest on his head a bit small for his age, but his whole body was actually kind of small for his age when I first got him. In the first few days I noticed an increase of body on him, so I figured the guy I got him from didn‘t feed him enough to grow normally….

Sometimes I notice him kind of „lying“ on the basking branch - like resting his head and belly more than he would when sitting. But his eyes are open all the time, as far as I can tell.

Maybe one of you can help me out or provide some information or feedback so I can achieve a good life for Georg
If you need more infos from my side please ask and I will be happy to provide them! I can attache pictures tomorrow as it‘s now nighttime and lightsout.

Big thanks in advance and wish you all the best,
Chris

 

[Beman]

Hi Chris welcome to the forum. May I get some pics of the chameleon and of the entire cage set up from the lights down? Do you have a solarmeter to test the UVI output of the bulb your using? If this is a mercury vapor bulb you would need this to know for sure. If your using the compact uvb bulb that is like a coil bulb these do not work well for chams.

 

[georg_the_cham]

Hi Chris welcome to the forum. May I get some pics of the chameleon and of the entire cage set up from the lights down? Do you have a solarmeter to test the UVI output of the bulb your using? If this is a mercury vapor bulb you would need this to know for sure. If your using the compact uvb bulb that is like a coil bulb these do not work well for chams.

Hi Beman, thanks for the quick response - I wasn‘t really expecting that this late
I will happily add some pics tomorrow morning, when he‘s awake and the light is on.

Yeah it is a mercury bulb, I can add a link to the product if that helps? Unfortunatly it‘s in german, so I‘m not sure if it would actually help. But I can add a picture of the package with the distance info I was talking about. It doesn‘t have any UV Index values on it, only like the distance to the bulb and the corresponding habitat zones. I don‘t have a UV Meter right now, because they can be quite pricey.

Thanks again and a have a good evening or whatever time it is in your location!

 

[Beman]

Hi Beman, thanks for the quick response - I wasn‘t really expecting that this late
I will happily add some pics tomorrow morning, when he‘s awake and the light is on.

Yeah it is a mercury bulb, I can add a link to the product if that helps? Unfortunatly it‘s in german, so I‘m not sure if it would actually help. But I can add a picture of the package with the distance info I was talking about. It doesn‘t have any UV Index values on it, only like the distance to the bulb and the corresponding habitat zones. I don‘t have a UV Meter right now, because they can be quite pricey.

Thanks again and a have a good evening or whatever time it is in your location!

You can't get Arcadia products where you are by chance?

I am in Arizona in the US... So it is only 1pm my time lol

Add the info you have for the MV bulb. These ones can be really bad on smaller cages when they are placed too close. They end up producing very high UVI levels and much higher heat then you want for a chameleon. So using these you have to be very cautious.

 

[georg_the_cham]

You can't get Arcadia products where you are by chance?

I am in Arizona in the US... So it is only 1pm my time lol

Add the info you have for the MV bulb. These ones can be really bad on smaller cages when they are placed too close. They end up producing very high UVI levels and much higher heat then you want for a chameleon. So using these you have to be very cautious.

Well, it seems that none of the shops I‘ve been to sell Arcadia products. I found only one shop which sells UV tubes at all (or atleast in reasonable distance), but that were mostly cheap no name products - and the shop also doesn‘t sell a fixture for the tube, which makes ir kind of useless…
The only store I found which would sell the Arcadia T5 6% with a fixture is amazon.
But I read that about some EU regulations/policy which will slowly stop the production of this fluorescent lights of all kind in favor for energy efficent lights/bulbs. I can‘t really tell if those „special“ (reptile) bulbs are also effected or are still going to sell. I mean this policy would actually also stop the production and sales for the heat bulbs, because they produce more heat than light, which is absolutly what we want for reptiles but not for regular use in an household.
This policy also makes it really hard to find regular incandescent lightbulbs for heat only.

I will add some pictures of the enclosure and of him in this post. He looks better (and greener) now, even tho the temps are lower because of the nighttime drop - that makes me wonder if he was just tired yesterday or/and to hot?

In one the pictures you can see how i supply his drinking water -> there is a clear colorless glass in his enclosure and a somewhat selfbuild dripper to guide him to the water.
I got most of my caresheet info from the chameleon subreddit (if you know that by any chance, I only found out about this forum cause of googling some problems.) The recommend this method there, because to much misting can lead to some serious problems if not done right.

Could Georg be kind of inactive because of to much UVb? Is that a thing?
During his shedd he was moving around his enclosure much more to get the skin off, so I figured him not moving much the days leading up to the shed, was like a mental preperation. But the shedd is mostly done and he still mostly basks all day.

The temps should read fine, maybe a little to high then what the subreddit recommends but I never really see him opening his mouth while basking (I got a camera in his room to check on everything while I‘m gone)

Am really grateful for your time and help! All the best to Arizona (to notice the time difference in action is always crazy to me)

 

[georg_the_cham]

Well, it seems that none of the shops I‘ve been to sell Arcadia products. I found only one shop which sells UV tubes at all (or atleast in reasonable distance), but that were mostly cheap no name products - and the shop also doesn‘t sell a fixture for the tube, which makes ir kind of useless…
The only store I found which would sell the Arcadia T5 6% with a fixture is amazon.
But I read that about some EU regulations/policy which will slowly stop the production of this fluorescent lights of all kind in favor for energy efficent lights/bulbs. I can‘t really tell if those „special“ (reptile) bulbs are also effected or are still going to sell. I mean this policy would actually also stop the production and sales for the heat bulbs, because they produce more heat than light, which is absolutly what we want for reptiles but not for regular use in an household.
This policy also makes it really hard to find regular incandescent lightbulbs for heat only.

I will add some pictures of the enclosure and of him in this post. He looks better (and greener) now, even tho the temps are lower because of the nighttime drop - that makes me wonder if he was just tired yesterday or/and to hot?

In one the pictures you can see how i supply his drinking water -> there is a clear colorless glass in his enclosure and a somewhat selfbuild dripper to guide him to the water.
I got most of my caresheet info from the chameleon subreddit (if you know that by any chance, I only found out about this forum cause of googling some problems.) The recommend this method there, because to much misting can lead to some serious problems if not done right.

Could Georg be kind of inactive because of to much UVb? Is that a thing?
During his shedd he was moving around his enclosure much more to get the skin off, so I figured him not moving much the days leading up to the shed, was like a mental preperation. But the shedd is mostly done and he still mostly basks all day.

The temps should read fine, maybe a little to high then what the subreddit recommends but I never really see him opening his mouth while basking (I got a camera in his room to check on everything while I‘m gone)

Am really grateful for your time and help! All the best to Arizona (to notice the time difference in action is always crazy to me)

Attached are the images of the bulb package

 

[GrannyK]

Hi there! Welcome to the forum! Beautiful enclosure and little cham there!I see Beman is helping you with lighting.
I am just curious if the little one has a spur on the back of his feet? If not you may have a little lady there and she may be preparing to lay causing loss of appetite, activity and color change.
I am not really experienced with veiled so it’s just a thought and wanted to say welcome to the cham fam!

 

[janjan20]

Welcome! I would have to agree with @GrannyK, you may have a female veiled. At 9 months old the casque should be larger and the stripe pattern on their sides more prominent.

Male

Female

 

[georg_the_cham]

hello all and thanks for your warm welcome! Much appreciated

I’m 100% also not an expert, but I’m pretty sure he has the tarsal spur on his back feet, unless i saw something else…
It may be because of a bad image but IRL the pattern on his skin resembles more that of a male than female. Further he also never goes down his enclosure to search for a lay-bin location, he only climbs down to take a dump.
The small crest is really kind of suspicious, his whole size is in my opinion - I thought veileds would pretty much be fully grown with 1 year of age?

He also has quite the appetite! Somewhere around 10 dusted crickets every day.

Thank you all for your help and feedback,
Chris

 

[Flick boy]

Hey all, first time cham owner so I‘m probably over careful but I‘m just trying to give my cham a good life.

Georg is about 9 months old and is in my care for about 3-4 weeks. I built the enclosure myself out of wood - it‘s about 120cm in height x 86cm width and 60cm long. The „walls“ are all an aluminium mesh/screen. I use live plants - a money tree, a ficus and a pothos. Some live branches from the garden for him to climb on.

Unfortunatly it seems kind of hard in my homecountry to find linear UVB bulbs, I mostly found UV with heat bulbs (like a combination of both). I talked a while with the guy from the shop I got Georg from and he told me he is breeding chams for about 15 years and now mostly uses this kind of bulbs. So due to a lack of alternatives I got this combination bulb in 75watts and placed it in a dome ontop of my enclosure with enough space between the basking branch and the bulb (according to the information on the bulbs package).

Due to not really finding other good feeders except for crickets, I mostly feed him that (gutloading with carrots, some cucumber, a little salad and oatmeal or breadcrumbs). I feed him about 10 +- crickets every day, dusted with plain calcium (btw -> is that enough/ to much?)

He was going through a shedd about a week ago - a little skin-to-shed is still present.

BUT - I noticed that he is not really moving all that much throughout the day. He mostly stays on one of his basking branches, maybe moving a bit back and forth. Also most of the time his skin is in a dark green kind of color (i guess to absorb the heat better), but the temps should actually be fine. I meassured about 28-32 deg Celsius on the basking spots he uses. The ambient temp in his enclosure is somewhere between 23-25 deg Celsius. So I would assume his body temp should be high enough, but the fact he isn‘t really „exploring“ or doing kind of anything else except for sitting in the basking area and beeing darker makes me wonder if he needs it warmer or if something else is of.

His poop looks normal, urinat is whitish and paste like and he currently poops every day. I read that cham poop should be odor less, but his poop still smells a bit, not really bad or anything (if i squish it while picking it up the smell gets more intense, like when you step in dog poo)
His eyes arent sunken in and overall he doesnt look to weak. In my opinion is the crest on his head a bit small for his age, but his whole body was actually kind of small for his age when I first got him. In the first few days I noticed an increase of body on him, so I figured the guy I got him from didn‘t feed him enough to grow normally….

Sometimes I notice him kind of „lying“ on the basking branch - like resting his head and belly more than he would when sitting. But his eyes are open all the time, as far as I can tell.

Maybe one of you can help me out or provide some information or feedback so I can achieve a good life for Georg
If you need more infos from my side please ask and I will be happy to provide them! I can attache pictures tomorrow as it‘s now nighttime and lightsout.

Big thanks in advance and wish you all the best,
Chris

Hi and welcome to the forum. I'm not 100 % sure but I think the fluorescent and incandescent bulb ban only applies to household lights not reptile bulb which are classified as a specialist/ speciallality light .the t5ho 6% imo would be a better choice than the mv

 

[Sonny13]

Hi,
Great start there with the enclosure and the live plants. I see those mercury lights a lot in Germany, but the thing is UVB spot is very centralized. Georg has beautiful large enclosure but I think he’s only focused on the centralized light spot. Personally I would, beside a lineair UVB, add a led light plant strip. This will bring more light in the enclosure and together with a more spread UVB exposure, which eventually will bring more life in Georg.
One thing that also jumps out is the smell of the poop. It shouldn’t be smelly, because normally this could indicate parasites. The smell combined with the amount of feeding (and not being chubby at this age) would amply he could have parasites. Maybe a fecal check would be wise decision.

Have you checked online shops for Arcadia products? Because in Europe it’s very easy get Arcadia online.

 

[georg_the_cham]

Hi and welcome to the forum. I'm not 100 % sure but I think the fluorescent and incandescent bulb ban only applies to household lights not reptile bulb which are classified as a specialist/ speciallality light .the t5ho 6% imo would be a better choice than the mv

Yeah, I guess that would make sense to be honest! It‘s kinda hard to find the right information about this topic and also understand all that „lawyer tounge“…

Ok I think I‘ll roll with that tube light. Amazon seems to be my best option. Could you recommend a good brand for the heatlamp by chance?

Thanks!

 

[georg_the_cham]

Hi,
Great start there with the enclosure and the live plants. I see those mercury lights a lot in Germany, but the thing is UVB spot is very centralized. Georg has beautiful large enclosure but I think he’s only focused on the centralized light spot. Personally I would, beside a lineair UVB, add a led light plant strip. This will bring more light in the enclosure and together with a more spread UVB exposure, which eventually will bring more life in Georg.
One thing that also jumps out is the smell of the poop. It shouldn’t be smelly, because normally this could indicate parasites. The smell combined with the amount of feeding (and not being chubby at this age) would amply he could have parasites. Maybe a fecal check would be wise decision.

Have you checked online shops for Arcadia products? Because in Europe it’s very easy get Arcadia online.

So you would recommend the UV tubelight, ah heatlamp AND a led light? I thought LEDs are not that great for reptiles…

Do you mean the poop shouldn‘t smell at all? I mean it‘s still poo right? No smell seems kind of unrealistic But sure, you never know. Parasites could be possible. I‘ll check out the vets in my area and see what I can do!

Hmm here in Austria the whole reptile stuff is kinda weak. Not really much real stores with good equipment and the online stores are more or less in germany for the most part. I think Amazon (as much as I don‘t want to order that much from them) seems to be my best option, also for the light to arrive quickly.
Can you recommend a good heatlamp by chance?

Cheers and have a good day!

 

[Beman]

Well, it seems that none of the shops I‘ve been to sell Arcadia products. I found only one shop which sells UV tubes at all (or atleast in reasonable distance), but that were mostly cheap no name products - and the shop also doesn‘t sell a fixture for the tube, which makes ir kind of useless…
The only store I found which would sell the Arcadia T5 6% with a fixture is amazon.
But I read that about some EU regulations/policy which will slowly stop the production of this fluorescent lights of all kind in favor for energy efficent lights/bulbs. I can‘t really tell if those „special“ (reptile) bulbs are also effected or are still going to sell. I mean this policy would actually also stop the production and sales for the heat bulbs, because they produce more heat than light, which is absolutly what we want for reptiles but not for regular use in an household.
This policy also makes it really hard to find regular incandescent lightbulbs for heat only.

I will add some pictures of the enclosure and of him in this post. He looks better (and greener) now, even tho the temps are lower because of the nighttime drop - that makes me wonder if he was just tired yesterday or/and to hot?

In one the pictures you can see how i supply his drinking water -> there is a clear colorless glass in his enclosure and a somewhat selfbuild dripper to guide him to the water.
I got most of my caresheet info from the chameleon subreddit (if you know that by any chance, I only found out about this forum cause of googling some problems.) The recommend this method there, because to much misting can lead to some serious problems if not done right.

Could Georg be kind of inactive because of to much UVb? Is that a thing?
During his shedd he was moving around his enclosure much more to get the skin off, so I figured him not moving much the days leading up to the shed, was like a mental preperation. But the shedd is mostly done and he still mostly basks all day.

The temps should read fine, maybe a little to high then what the subreddit recommends but I never really see him opening his mouth while basking (I got a camera in his room to check on everything while I‘m gone)

Am really grateful for your time and help! All the best to Arizona (to notice the time difference in action is always crazy to me)

Ok are you able to buy a solarmeter 6.5? They can be a little pricey but you will need one with a MV bulb.

Avoid reddit like the plague. They are giving out a ton of incorrect info and if anyone tries to post there to challenge them they delete the info.

Temps are running too hot for him. You want a basking spot of 80-85. So you want to lift the fixture up off the cage. You can get a wall mount for like a plant that you can hook the fixture to. This can be hard with a MV bulb because its a 2 in 1. This is why you also need the solarmeter. The guidelines on the package are useless because they do not account for the screen reducing the UVI and they do not give you accurate UVI levels for the distance.

With a MV your walking a fine line between correct UVI level which would be a 3 UVI and temps. So you want to adjust these bulbs for the UVI which is why you need the solarmeter 6.5. Then based on the right uvi you start playing with temps. Essentially I would have to know exactly what the UVI is to guide you with this set up. Fortunately you built a really large cage so this will work in your favor with a MV bulb.

You want to put a solid panel on the back of the cage. You have to mist the cage. You can not have him drinking from a glass. This is not how they are wired to drink. They lick and hit the water off the leaves of plants. So if you can get a piece of PVC or corrugated plastic to put on the back of the cage this will protect your wall.

For accurate info..... https://chameleonacademy.com/chameleon-husbandry-program-getting-started-with-chameleons/

And then ask us all of your questions.

 

[georg_the_cham]

Ok are you able to buy a solarmeter 6.5? They can be a little pricey but you will need one with a MV bulb.

Avoid reddit like the plague. They are giving out a ton of incorrect info and if anyone tries to post there to challenge them they delete the info.

Temps are running too hot for him. You want a basking spot of 80-85. So you want to lift the fixture up off the cage. You can get a wall mount for like a plant that you can hook the fixture to. This can be hard with a MV bulb because its a 2 in 1. This is why you also need the solarmeter. The guidelines on the package are useless because they do not account for the screen reducing the UVI and they do not give you accurate UVI levels for the distance.

With a MV your walking a fine line between correct UVI level which would be a 3 UVI and temps. So you want to adjust these bulbs for the UVI which is why you need the solarmeter 6.5. Then based on the right uvi you start playing with temps. Essentially I would have to know exactly what the UVI is to guide you with this set up. Fortunately you built a really large cage so this will work in your favor with a MV bulb.

You want to put a solid panel on the back of the cage. You have to mist the cage. You can not have him drinking from a glass. This is not how they are wired to drink. They lick and hit the water off the leaves of plants. So if you can get a piece of PVC or corrugated plastic to put on the back of the cage this will protect your wall.

For accurate info..... https://chameleonacademy.com/chameleon-husbandry-program-getting-started-with-chameleons/

And then ask us all of your questions.

Thanks for your reply!
Yeah, I was kinda scared about posting on reddit, because I have the MV bulb which is absolutly not recommended there, so I would have probably got a shitstorm from the mods there. Btw this forum and the people on here seem very friendly and helpful

I thought that the temps are a bit high, but it‘s strange that he was this dark color yesterday and the fact he is in his basking area most of the time. I actually already build something (like two pieces of wood screwed together to form an L) so I can raise the fixture up, but only recently got a good device to measure the temps and prior to that was thinking its not hot enough because of his behaviour - thats why i haven‘t installed it yet.

If I get the Arcadia T5 6% (plus fixture) will i get away without the solarmeter? It seems like a good choice to provide more light and have the UH cover more of the cage. I would also switch the MV to a regular heat bulb of course.

About the drinking - I saw him drink from the glass; or sometimes he will drink straight from the (makeshift) dripper. His urates is white-ish like, I guess, it should be. But I was actually thinking about a temp cover for some of the sides > firstly cause of the spraywater and secondly it‘s getting winter here so maybe for the temps.

Thank you all again for the friendly and welcoming feedback and tips.
I was going of of reddit because they seem to know what they are talking about, I also read a good bit from Bill Strand (I think is his name), but Georg is still my first reptile and I was trying to start somewhere.

Btw. i snapped more pics of him about half an hour ago and he looks way more natural than he was yesterday about the same time (7pm - usually i turn off the lights at 8pm)

Cheers,
Chris

 

[Sonny13]

Do you mean the poop shouldn‘t smell at all? I mean it‘s still poo right? No smell seems kind of unrealistic But sure, you never know. Parasites could be possible. I‘ll check out the vets in my area and see what I can do!

Basically, yes! There’s only a light smell, but nothing nasty like dog poop. I can’t tell how “bad” yours smelled. But, the amount of feeders daily at that age would give some signs of obesitas.

Hmm here in Austria

Great, I’m in country right now, in Lofer for work.

So you would recommend the UV tubelight, ah heatlamp AND a led light? I thought LEDs are not that great for reptiles…

Most of us use a led plant light, UVB tube and heat light.
Colored leds ain’t good for chameleons, they can be harmful for their eyes. White led’s is no problem and beneficial overall ambient light and plant growth stimulation.
As a heat lamp we use a normal incandescent light bulb (50 watt mostly).

If I get the Arcadia T5 6% (plus fixture) will i get away without the solarmeter?

That would be perfect and you work with the recommend distances between light and basking branche. And you could do without a solar meter.


Looking at your last pictures I’m also convinced he is a she. There’s no prominent spur on the back of the rear feet. Without this and the color pattern would almost suggest she is spayed, then the girls get male patterns.

Georg is still my first reptile and I was trying to start somewhere.

You’re more than just starting, you already did a great job and started off great. It’s now just some small tweaking.

Together we get Georg(ina) on track

 

[Flick boy]

Yeah, I guess that would make sense to be honest! It‘s kinda hard to find the right information about this topic and also understand all that „lawyer tounge“…

Ok I think I‘ll roll with that tube light. Amazon seems to be my best option. Could you recommend a good brand for the heatlamp by chance?

Thanks!

I also use arcadia solar baskingflood lights ,

 

[georg_the_cham]

Basically, yes! There’s only a light smell, but nothing nasty like dog poop. I can’t tell how “bad” yours smelled. But, the amount of feeders daily at that age would give some signs of obesitas.

No, I didn‘t mean it smells like dog poo, I was just reffering to the fact that Georg‘s poo will smell a little more when I squish it, like when you step in dog or cat poo it will smell more.
Are about 10 crickets to much for his age?

Great, I’m in country right now, in Lofer for work.

Lofer, Salzburg? Thats neat, didn‘t expect that, I‘m from upper austria, near Linz.

Most of us use a led plant light, UVB tube and heat light.
Colored leds ain’t good for chameleons, they can be harmful for their eyes. White led’s is no problem and beneficial overall ambient light and plant growth stimulation.
As a heat lamp we use a normal incandescent light bulb (50 watt mostly).

That would be perfect and you work with the recommend distances between light and basking branche. And you could do without a solar meter.

Ah alright, got ya. I‘ll get the arcadia t5 tube and a regular heat bulb and check his behaviour!

Looking at your last pictures I’m also convinced he is a she. There’s no prominent spur on the back of the rear feet. Without this and the color pattern would almost suggest she is spayed, then the girls get male patterns.

You sure?? Ah man, bummer. I was actually looking forward to a grown male because of their prettier color, bigger crest and no egg problems… Further, I would have been ripped of by the shop, cause males are more expensive than females.
I immediately got up and took some more pics of him, I still feel like these are tarsal spurs - see down below (I hope the quality is alright)

You’re more than just starting, you already did a great job and started off great. It’s now just some small tweaking.

Thanks, that feels actually good to hear It‘s tricky to do the right things with all the different information out there.

Together we get Georg(ina) on track

I hope it will stay at Georg

Thanks and all the best,
Chris

 

[georg_the_cham]

I also use arcadia solar baskingflood lights , View attachment 345205

Thank you! I‘ll try to get something along these lines

Cheers!

 

[Sonny13]

No, I didn‘t mean it smells like dog poo, I was just reffering to the fact that Georg‘s poo will smell a little more when I squish it, like when you step in dog or cat poo it will smell more.
Are about 10 crickets to much for his age?

Check, misread it a bit. Then it’s good.
How large are the crickets? 10 crickets daily is a lot, but you only have him for 3-4 weeks. Therefore if he’s still hungry let him, because he can use a bit more weight. However keep track on him, how he gains weight.

I’m saying him, thanks for the extra pics, he’s definitely a Georg. That’s solved and you’re not ripped off.

Lofer, Salzburg? Thats neat, didn‘t expect that, I‘m from upper austria, near Linz.

Correct and love it here. But, leaving Saturday again.


Keep us posted Chris and we’re here for furthermore questions.