veild's poo and urine looks bad! what could cause it? (PIC)

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PicassoTheVeiled

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i dont know whats wrong with him. his poo is runny and his urine is yellowish/brown????

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i mist him very well twice a day. his humidity is around 60 to 70% after misting. he drinks almost daily... he will literally drink as long as you are misting.. he LOVES water. i dont really think he is dehydrated.

he does have some eye problems that i am trying to get sorted out by his vet. (could a sinus infection affect his waste output?) we have NO CLUE whats going on with him. ive spent close to 1000 trying to get him better now... and we cant figure it out! there is one more med we can try, but after that, hes on his own because we would have exhausted all resources. anyway, could any eye problems affect his waste output? i know it sounds farfetched, i was just thinking tho that maybe there was something that could link the 2 together... btw, he previously only had an issue with one eye NOW ITS BOTH! :eek: i dont know what to do but its seriously stressing me out, i really care about him and i do all i can but it seems like nothing is working :(

PS- i put this in every post, because i really dont want to look like a terrible cham mom... he is a rescue and was in absolute terrible shape with his previous owner im trying my best to get him back to being a happy healthy cham. its literally a daily battle with this guy weather its giving meds or force feeding (by opening his mouth with a credit card and putting food in) because his med makes him not hungry
 

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whoops, sorry forgot to add the questions

Your Chameleon - 1yr male veiled cham, had him for 2 months ish
Handling - daily, only because i have to give him medicine and feed him (im having to feed him by opening his mouth with a credit card and forcing him to eat, his med makes him lose his appetite, thats what the vet said)
Feeding - i feed large crickets and superworms. i feed as many as he will let me which is usually about 5. i feed daily, sometimes every other day. he was very skinny when i got him so im having to feed a little extra. is 5 per day/every other day sufficient? crickets are gutloaded with "ssimswiss' cricket crack" hes a forum member who makes it. its good stuff
Supplements - i use repcal products. CALCIUM NO D3 every other feeding. CALCIUM WITH D3 once a week. MULTIVITAMIN once a month
Watering - he drinks every day, sometimes every other day. i mist with a pesticide sprayer (clean only used for water) humidity around 50-70 percent after misting twice a day
Fecal Description - please see pic, its not normal. he was tested for parasites and it came back negative
History - he is having eye problems, which is why he is on medicine. previously he was on fortaz, it didnt work, he just started taking baytril today. he is also a rescue cham. his previous owner kept his basking area in the low 60s. he had eye problems, his shedding was terrible. his uvb bulbs were all reptisun .10S there was 2 four footers and one 18 inch uvb lights... too much im assuming?, so i just switched to the one 18". is that ok? ive fixed everything except the eye problems, which im still working with his vet on getting sorted out.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - 5x3x2 feet. screen 3 sides and top. wood on bottom and back wall
Lighting - 12 hrs on 12 hrs off. reptiglo .5 (cant find reptisun anywhere and needed a bulb asap when other one went out). two 4' regular strip lights to brighten up the cage.
Temperature - 89*F in the basking area. at the bottom its 74*F. at night the temp is around 65*F. i use a didgital thermometer.
Humidity - between 50 &70 percent. mist twice a day. measured with hydrometer
Plants - big umbrella plant. 2 pothos. 1 plant that i dont remember the name of, but its safe... 3 long vines that connect all the plants for easy mobility around the cage
Placement - the cage is located on the floor, but thats because its 5' tall and dont have much other choice. its in the living room, but its fairly low traffic. i live alone and work 10 hrs a day. no vents or windows too close
Location - california

Current Problem - his poo and urine looks really off. could it be the fortaz medicine he just stopped taking yesterday because it was not working?
 
he was taking fortaz for his eye problem. his eye is very swollen... i googled it and couldnt find anything... but i just read baytril (what he just started on today) can cause diarrhea, so im assuming fortaz might have been able to as well... well, at least i know not to freak out when he has diarrhea on baytril... im just going to assume its from the medicine
 
commenting after someone much more experienced than myself but with my limited personal experience, my oldest male has been a struggle at times aswell. im his 5th owner & he hates change at this point. when i was forced to give him a critical care formula, it did dehydrate him even though he was drinking. i personally think the stress it would cause having to work with your cham in such a way would dehydrate it. feeding extra silks helped aid the dehydraion. also offer more water to drink. the silks & hornies will help keep the cham hdrated if it is indeed the meds.
 
is the critical care stuff you fed called "carnivore care" and used for underweight animals? im having to use that for him. like i said before, his previous owner was terrible... maybe thats whats causing his urine to be yellow?
 
PTV, how often does he poop? If he's a reluctant pooper---like, doesn't poop for 2 or 3 days at a time--then the urates can (from what I've read here) dry up some inside the animal and come out yellower/oranger than normal...

I can't tell you how sad I was to read that "poop check" was not an exact science. I was all over that as an idea...

Antibiotics can reek havoc with the digestive system of any animal...I suspect that's part of the issue. Sadly, the things that kill the bad bacteria also kill the good bacteria...
 
honestly, he goes once a weekish... which i know probably isnt good, or at the very least isnt great but at least he is going. he has recently begun to drink a lot more water, which i would assume might be from the medicines, because it started after he was put on fortaz... this i suspect may have something to do with the runny poo, more water intake, more water in stool, makes sense to me... i know his new med that he started today does cause diarrhea sometimes though so i really dont expect this to stop until hes been off it for a few days. baytril is his last hope pretty much... so hopfully its the right solution

judging by my ask for help questions, does it sound like his habitat is suitable? is there anything i could improve on? money is extremely tight right now, but he is NOT going to die if i have any say in it. so if there are any improvements that could be made please let me know! except getting the cage off the ground cause i really have no way of doing it. its on wheels and would roll off any table i put it on. he stays at the middle/top anyway


thanks guys! i wish i could answer some questions for everyone instead of always being the asker, but i really dont know enough to answer questions yet... in time, in time :D
 
Elizadolots said:
Antibiotics can reek havoc with the digestive system of any animal...I suspect that's part of the issue. Sadly, the things that kill the bad bacteria also kill the good bacteria...
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this is why i tried to find the most compotent reptile vet i could find... turns out, even she is still confused! i absolutely hate having him on all these meds i just wish there was some other way because i know it is very very hard on their bodies... it worries me sick. every time he gets a new med, im like: well, here goes nothing, hope this works... and cross my fingers in hopes that it doesnt kill him.

btw, is there any beneficial bacteria supplement you guys know of to help him out a little? i know acidophilis is a good bacteria that comes in powder form thats packed into little pill caps... i was thinking maybe that might be an idea... and since its just bacteria i figure it would be safe... but i suppose i might ask the vet before trying anything... if anyone knows of something safe to give him to supplement while on antibiotics, it would be much appreciated!
 
The meds could certainly be causing it. Does he actually have eye infections or is he just having issues with his eyes? This gets tricky because chams closing their eyes is often a symptom of other things, but if his eyes are red, irritated, and/or have pus that is eye infection. I am not sure about the carnivore care-chameleons are insectivores and carnivore care is pretty high protein-I worry about Baytril and dehydration issues and then giving something else pretty high protein. If you can get that adult Veiled to eat a few feeders a day I would not be giving him carnivore care. You may also want to bump up the heat just a tad to see if that gets him more interested in eating. Mist plenty while he is on Baytril.
 
it was carnivore care. i was forced to administer this because of a hunger strike. i gave it for 3 days to boost up his energy than i went 2 days without feeding. the poop & urate where not definitive, it was an orangey greenish mush. a superworm proved to break the hungerstrike, although, to this day his eating has remained picky. i sometimes have to offer up every feeder in my arsenal to see what he feels like. is the eye better? once it is, maybe give a large dose of critical care & really leave the cham alone for a couple days, with the exception of heavy watering. than try a large variety of feeders to see if itll go for one type. the advice the that julirs gave sounded a lot like the advice my vet gave. i think the carnivore care is just to give a temporary energy boost. the extra heat did seem to help as well when it came to getting the meds to activate in the system quicker. perhaps thats what helped with the appetite too.
 
Julirs said:
The meds could certainly be causing it. Does he actually have eye infections or is he just having issues with his eyes? This gets tricky because chams closing their eyes is often a symptom of other things, but if his eyes are red, irritated, and/or have pus that is eye infection. I am not sure about the carnivore care-chameleons are insectivores and carnivore care is pretty high protein-I worry about Baytril and dehydration issues and then giving something else pretty high protein. If you can get that adult Veiled to eat a few feeders a day I would not be giving him carnivore care. You may also want to bump up the heat just a tad to see if that gets him more interested in eating. Mist plenty while he is on Baytril.
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his eye is very swollen. sometimes it is poped out and hard! :eek: (it is by no means going unattended though, its a daily battle believe me). sometimes his eye will look like it is improving, and i get excited, only to come back an hour or 2 later and its scarry swollen. there is fluid behind his eye. it seems to be the worst when he is hanging upside down. when i take him to the vet, i put him on my arm and let him be close to the window because he intentionally rubs his eye on the window which gets some of the stuff out. (my vet told me its a good thing to let him do that, because he knows what he needs) i know its not the best to let him see where hes going on a car ride, but it really helps get some stuff out of his eye. you can tell it makes him feel better because afterward his eye looks MUCH better and he seems more active. ive been trying to find a big enough piece of glass i can attatch to his cage wall so he can do the same thing. but it has to be big to keep him away from the sharp edges.

anyway, i will for sure bump the heat up a little. btw, should i keep at least one ceramic non light emmiting heater on at night to see if it helps him? and i will mist him extra well. no more carnivore care.... okay, lots of good ideas to try! thanks for all your helps guys!

btw, do my cage specs seem to be okay?
 
Lets see some pictures. It would be helpful. Make sure you get the whole animal and then the eye. Perhaps both eyes.
 
i have a pic of the bad eye on my computer, but his lights dont turn on for another hr and a half, so ill post one of the good eye later... but im sure you all can see his eye does not look normal

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thanks alot eliza! ill read it right after this post. heres the pic someone asked for showing the difference between his eyes
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poor Picasso! That does not look comfortable.

I hope the probiotics help him cope with the antibiotics he needs.

Again...he's so lucky to have come into your home.
 
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