Tesla is Freakin' Out

Chadbot

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Hi Everyone,

I'm having a bit of a weird incident right now. Up until about 8pm Tesla, my 5 month old Veiled male, was a nice pastel green and basking like he normally does before bed. About 5 minutes ago I looked over at his cage and saw him lunge from his basking spot, grab onto the top of his cage and start smashing his head against the top mesh repeatedly! I opened the door a bit and he ran over (upside down), climbed right out along the top of the door and then turned around and ran back towards his cage, climbed on top, and headed straight for his light dome (which I promptly turned off). The whole time he was fired up like he was really angry, and eventually I managed to get him to climb onto a branch and now he has calmed down a bit and is just hanging onto my camera tripod. I have read this can be a psychological condition in captive chams and can lead to rostral rubbings (which I see no evidence of at the moment). Can anyone offer some advice about what is wrong? I posted some pics of him (right now) and his setup as it is right now (temp shows low because I just turned lights on). I hope nothing is wrong and it's just him having a run around, but I know how fickle chams can be with health and I want him to be OK.


Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Male Veiled I've had for 2 months, 5 months old. 6 inches snout to vent and a healthy weight.
Handling - Once a week.
Feeding - Feed him as many crickets as he will eat once daily around 3pm. Usually eats 8-15 mediums. I also vary it with hornworms, silks, supers, and butters occasionally. I also leave mustard greens/dandelion greens, red pepper, and squash in his cage once in a while. He sometimes eats chunks of his pothos.
Supplements - Daily dusts Phos-free calcium without D3. Alternate D3 and Multivitamin on saturdays.
Watering - Regular misting sessions via mistking and dripper. He gets misted 6 times per day 2-10 minutes depending on the session to keep the humidity up at 30-70%.
Fecal Description - No parasites at last vet screen. White urates which means he's drinking fine, brown normal poop which is solid and well digested. He does this daily.
History - Came from a reputable breeder, and is captive bred.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - 2x2x4.5' cage. Aluminum screen, pvc bottom, hardware mesh top.
Lighting - Dome light with 60W household, 18" linear reptisun 5.0. He gets 12 hours of light a day from 8 to 8.
Temperature - I take readings with a digital probe. 85-90 in his closest basking zone, 70-75 in the coolest zone. 78 in the middle.
Humidity - Gets measured with an analog hygrometer in the center of the cage. Maintained with the mister and the cage is wrapped with a shower curtain.
Plants -1 Hanging pothos, 1 gigantic dracaena.
Placement - Cage top is about 7.5 feet from the ground in the low traffic corner of my apartment (it's just me here). He's near to a window, but the window has curtains across it and isn't ever open so he can't really see out there.
Location - Canada. Roughly, Toronto ON.
Current Problem - See above.
 

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Hi Everyone,

I'm having a bit of a weird incident right now. Up until about 8pm Tesla, my 5 month old Veiled male, was a nice pastel green and basking like he normally does before bed. About 5 minutes ago I looked over at his cage and saw him lunge from his basking spot, grab onto the top of his cage and start smashing his head against the top mesh repeatedly! I opened the door a bit and he ran over (upside down), climbed right out along the top of the door and then turned around and ran back towards his cage, climbed on top, and headed straight for his light dome (which I promptly turned off). The whole time he was fired up like he was really angry, and eventually I managed to get him to climb onto a branch and now he has calmed down a bit and is just hanging onto my camera tripod. I have read this can be a psychological condition in captive chams and can lead to rostral rubbings (which I see no evidence of at the moment). Can anyone offer some advice about what is wrong? I posted some pics of him (right now) and his setup as it is right now (temp shows low because I just turned lights on). I hope nothing is wrong and it's just him having a run around, but I know how fickle chams can be with health and I want him to be OK.


Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Male Veiled I've had for 2 months, 5 months old. 6 inches snout to vent and a healthy weight.
Handling - Once a week.
Feeding - Feed him as many crickets as he will eat once daily around 3pm. Usually eats 8-15 mediums. I also vary it with hornworms, silks, supers, and butters occasionally. I also leave mustard greens/dandelion greens, red pepper, and squash in his cage once in a while. He sometimes eats chunks of his pothos.
Supplements - Daily dusts Phos-free calcium without D3. Alternate D3 and Multivitamin on saturdays.
Watering - Regular misting sessions via mistking and dripper. He gets misted 6 times per day 2-10 minutes depending on the session to keep the humidity up at 30-70%.
Fecal Description - No parasites at last vet screen. White urates which means he's drinking fine, brown normal poop which is solid and well digested. He does this daily.
History - Came from a reputable breeder, and is captive bred.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - 2x2x4.5' cage. Aluminum screen, pvc bottom, hardware mesh top.
Lighting - Dome light with 60W household, 18" linear reptisun 5.0. He gets 12 hours of light a day from 8 to 8.
Temperature - I take readings with a digital probe. 85-90 in his closest basking zone, 70-75 in the coolest zone. 78 in the middle.
Humidity - Gets measured with an analog hygrometer in the center of the cage. Maintained with the mister and the cage is wrapped with a shower curtain.
Plants -1 Hanging pothos, 1 gigantic dracaena.
Placement - Cage top is about 7.5 feet from the ground in the low traffic corner of my apartment (it's just me here). He's near to a window, but the window has curtains across it and isn't ever open so he can't really see out there.
Location - Canada. Roughly, Toronto ON.
Current Problem - See above.

Its weird you would post this. My Veiled has been acting really weird today too! He wont eat, and had been running around his cage. Tonight he was upside down and fell to the floor.

Maybe it has to do with the solar flair?
 
He's back at it again, trying to get to his light. I can't understand the behavior as a first-timer. It's definitely warm enough for him. Anyone got any advice?
 
Make a video of it.

Seems very odd.
What do you gutload with? Like exactly. Do you wash the greens well?

It may be neurological, from poisoning, or a birth defect.

He could also be very upset about somthing he sees, or wants.

Is the "banging" violent?
 
Can't make a video today, but I will be getting a camera that takes vid tonight. It's fairly violent. He's making the screen shake. It's like he thinks he's a battering ram.

I gutload my crickets with wet and dry mixes, which I always wash well because I'm paranoid about chemicals.

Dry:
I copied Sandrachameleon's blog exactly from January.

Wet things these crickets have eaten:
Sweet red pepper slices
Peeled oranges
Dandelion greens

He also had 2 baby hornworms on Sunday and a butterworm on Tuesday.

I reduced the basking temp from 87 to 84 after what I thought was a gape maneuver. I don't want him to hurt himself is all.
 
Ok, so it's definitely lightbulb related. He's trying like a madman for the 3rd day in a row to get into the basking dome, but he's not able to because of the screen. Could it be too cold or too hot? Why would a chameleon try endlessly to get into the basking light?
 
Ok, so it's definitely lightbulb related. He's trying like a madman for the 3rd day in a row to get into the basking dome, but he's not able to because of the screen. Could it be too cold or too hot? Why would a chameleon try endlessly to get into the basking light?

To cold if anything, how hot is his basking spot? What do you use to measure it? What kind of bulb?
 
@Solid: He has a 60 watt bulb, white, from the hardware store. I measure his temps with a digital thermometer probe and a circular gauge. Friday I borrowed a lab-grade thermocouple reader from work and triple-checked. All 3 match up within a degree, so he's getting 87F at his closest spot on average. He doesn't feel cold to the touch, and is still nice and light green when he's in there.

@Mcleods: I think that's just the picture, though his eyes have always looked just slightly drawn in to me, I don't see evidence of dehydration in his urates, and I see him drink daily from his mister or dripper. I also give him a few small hornworms a week to boost his levels just in case.
 
If you have a good gradient going(ei: its not cold everywhere but the basking area) I would increase the basking temp a bit and see how he acts, say to a 75w bulb. If the ambient temperature is to cold, it may be making him upset that he cant get the temp he wants??? Just my thoughts, and what I would try.:confused:;)
 
Thanks for your help Solid. I was thinking that would be the next step. The gradient seems ok, but I'll try making it warmer and monitor his reactions. Maybe he's just got the winter blues and is pining for the fjords.
 
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