Temp Issues - Causing RI

Joe590

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Your Chameleon - Panther Chameleon - Male - 4 months old - 3 weeks in my care.
Handling - Maybe once a day, I've been trying to let him acclimate and decide when I handle him. I let him climb on to my hand if he wants to be handled. I try once a day. If he declines, I leave him be.
Feeding - Crickets gut loaded with Cricket Crack, approximately 10 daily. I try and adjust to what he is eating.
Supplements - I have been seeking a bit more clarity on this subject. In my area I can only find calcium with D3. Advice?
Watering - I have a dripper that drips onto a leaf right by an artificial vine he loves to go on which runs thru out the day. I also mist his cage before work and once in the afternoon. Admittedly I haven't seen him drink but have seen him leaning over by the leaf with water on it, just didn't hang around to long.
Fecal Description - Eh, very dark brown and white? Looks kind of like poo? Slightly moist but not watery, and he does it all the damn time from how often I clean it. He even tried to poo on my MacBook Pro once!
History - Being as he is only 4 months old and I've had him for 3 weeks the only history that I think is relevant is that he started showing early signs of RI yesterday.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - All screen, 18x18x36
Lighting - ReptiSun 5.0 15 inch linear bulb and a ZooMed basking light 75w 120v which both run on a 12 hour on/off schedule 730am-730pm on. The ReptiSun is across the top of the enclosure at the back side of it and the basking light is angled down from one corner toward the lower opposing corner to try and maximize it's effect at this point.
Temperature - Again, this is my obvious issue of weakness. His basking spot is about 87 at the hottest which ranges down to 79 on the far side of the top of his enclosure. As you go down from there so do the temps, all the way down to 69 at the soil level in his plant.
Humidity - Humidity runs about 50%, he just shed 5 days ago and it took him a very short time to do so I'd say as he wasn't shedding at all the previous night and by 830am when I checked on him he had completed the process.
Plants - I have a live hibiscus rosa-sinensis (peach if it matters) and a Exo Terra Jungle Vine which passes thru his basking area, drinking area and down to the floor of the enclosure passing thru the center of his plant in the process.
Placement - He's in the living room which might sound bad if you thought I was home a lot. He's about 20 feet from the nearest vent but I have that side of his enclosure covered so he doesn't get a direct draft. The ceiling fan is almost never on.
Location - Orlando, Florida.

Current Problem - I have breathing issues and cannot keep my apartment warmer than 74ish. This is where my issue arrises. I'm having trouble keeping his cage in the right temperature ranges. He has a basking area that's about 84-87 depending on where in it he is but then toward the bottom of his enclosure it goes all the way down to 68-71. He is still very active and eats plenty. He looks just as healthy as the day I got him and noticeably larger. I noticed yesterday when I had him out that when he opened his mouth to hiss at me his mouth made a popping noise as he opened up and I thought that was weird. When I went in for a closer look there was a bit of excess mucus in his mouth in tiny bubble form. I am a snake breeder and have a vet who specializes in chameleons and he has told me to raise the temps and see how he progresses in the next two days before setting up a possible treatment regiment as he doesn't like giving antibiotics to very young chameleons if it's unnecessary. So this is where I need your advice and help! I have tried covering 3 sides of his enclosure and the top to keep in the heat and that really doesn't seem to work at all. It's to cool this time of year to put him outside during the day and I'm running out of ideas. There is no room in my place that's really any warmer than the other. Oddly enough, my closet which has no vent in it at all is the coldest room in the apartment, usually around 69-71.
 
You can add another light, like a standard house bulb and just point it towards the bottom of the enclosure. You might have to do a bit of trial and error with the wattage of the light.
 
Your Chameleon - Panther Chameleon - Male - 4 months old - 3 weeks in my care.
Handling - Maybe once a day, I've been trying to let him acclimate and decide when I handle him. I let him climb on to my hand if he wants to be handled. I try once a day. If he declines, I leave him be.
Feeding - Crickets gut loaded with Cricket Crack, approximately 10 daily. I try and adjust to what he is eating.
Supplements - I have been seeking a bit more clarity on this subject. In my area I can only find calcium with D3. Advice?Order oline. with d3 should be used twice monthly;however, for panthers you can buy an all in one supplament from Rapshy(spelling?) hopefully a memeber below will specify what one you should get.
Watering - I have a dripper that drips onto a leaf right by an artificial vine he loves to go on which runs thru out the day. I also mist his cage before work and once in the afternoon. Admittedly I haven't seen him drink but have seen him leaning over by the leaf with water on it, just didn't hang around to long.
Fecal Description - Eh, very dark brown and white? Looks kind of like poo? Slightly moist but not watery, and he does it all the damn time from how often I clean it. He even tried to poo on my MacBook Pro once!
History - Being as he is only 4 months old and I've had him for 3 weeks the only history that I think is relevant is that he started showing early signs of RI yesterday.

Cage Info:
Cage Type - All screen, 18x18x36will need to make bigger when he's older. something like 28x28x48
Lighting - ReptiSun 5.0 15 inch linear bulb and a ZooMed basking light 75w 120v which both run on a 12 hour on/off schedule 730am-730pm on. The ReptiSun is across the top of the enclosure at the back side of it and the basking light is angled down from one corner toward the lower opposing corner to try and maximize it's effect at this point.bulb needs to be changed every 6 months
Temperature - Again, this is my obvious issue of weakness. His basking spot is about 87 at the hottest which ranges down to 79 on the far side of the top of his enclosure. As you go down from there so do the temps, all the way down to 69 at the soil level in his plant.buy heater or another bulb. you can use house bulbs to make it warmer
Humidity - Humidity runs about 50%, he just shed 5 days ago and it took him a very short time to do so I'd say as he wasn't shedding at all the previous night and by 830am when I checked on him he had completed the process.if his urates are white your ok. idk what the humidty need to be for a panther but if its to low you can always get as humidifier
Plants - I have a live hibiscus rosa-sinensis (peach if it matters) and a Exo Terra Jungle Vine which passes thru his basking area, drinking area and down to the floor of the enclosure passing thru the center of his plant in the process.do you have any picture of your setup? you have a cham friednly plant so good but you may need more plants such as pothos. try to really fill the cage up. it makes them happy.
Placement - He's in the living room which might sound bad if you thought I was home a lot. He's about 20 feet from the nearest vent but I have that side of his enclosure covered so he doesn't get a direct draft. The ceiling fan is almost never on. Is he on the floor, or on some type of desk?
Location - Orlando, Florida.

Current Problem - I have breathing issues and cannot keep my apartment warmer than 74ish. This is where my issue arrises. I'm having trouble keeping his cage in the right temperature ranges. He has a basking area that's about 84-87 depending on where in it he is but then toward the bottom of his enclosure it goes all the way down to 68-71. He is still very active and eats plenty. He looks just as healthy as the day I got him and noticeably larger. I noticed yesterday when I had him out that when he opened his mouth to hiss at me his mouth made a popping noise as he opened up and I thought that was weird. When I went in for a closer look there was a bit of excess mucus in his mouth in tiny bubble form. I am a snake breeder and have a vet who specializes in chameleons and he has told me to raise the temps and see how he progresses in the next two days before setting up a possible treatment regiment as he doesn't like giving antibiotics to very young chameleons if it's unnecessary. So this is where I need your advice and help! I have tried covering 3 sides of his enclosure and the top to keep in the heat and that really doesn't seem to work at all. It's to cool this time of year to put him outside during the day and I'm running out of ideas. There is no room in my place that's really any warmer than the other. Oddly enough, my closet which has no vent in it at all is the coldest room in the apartment, usually around 69-71.



you will need to see a vet if he has an RI for the correct medicine. good for you for cetching it early. im not shure the temp caused the RI but idk. if you are willing to spend a little get a cold mist humidifier for your room and and warm for the liveing room. and make the temp in your house tid bit higher. that or by a ceramatic(spelling?) heater or another basking bulb. the RI wont just go away if he has it so a trip to the vet is still needed.
 
You have one of the best chameleon vets in the US in Orlando, FL Dr. Ivan Alfonso. Give him a call and set up a visit. 407-295-7547.

He be able to tell you if he thinks it's an RI. If so he will do a culture and a sensitivity test to see which antibiotic with work on the type of infection that your cham may have. I would also recommend you have a fresh poop for a fecal when he comes.
 
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I section off part of the room with furniture and shower curtains and use an electric heater, the sectioned off part of the room stays very warm.
 
@BeboSON
I'm thinking this is what I'm going to have to do.

@okiroo
Supplements - I will check in to Rapshy.
Cage Type - I understand this and was planning on building another enclosure closer to the specs you've listed.
Lighting - So I've heard before but as I stated, these are about 3 weeks old.
Temperature - This is what I was thinking I'm going to have to do.
Humidity - His urates are white. As for the humidity levels, I'm thinking that it should be fine as is due to his seemingly effortless shedding, though I may be wrong.
Plants - No pictures right now. I looked into the live plant database here before purchasing a plant and put a fare amount of thought in it. The plant really does fill the enclosure up, there'd be no room for a pothos.
Placement - He's on a kind of custom shelf that keeps the bottom of his enclosure about two feet off the ground.
I'm meticulous with my reptiles as I feel if I choose to keep them in captivity I accept the responsibility to take better care of them than Mother Nature. I can't raise the temps in the house, it's just not an option, though I am looking in to buying a house where I would have a reptile room and could regulate the ambient temperature much better then. As for the needing of a vet visit, I have the best vet there is and I'm sure he wouldn't tell me to hold off for two days if it wasn't okay.

@jannb
Dr. Ivan is my vet, I just don't like dropping names. He is THE best reptile vet I have ever met.

@suzi
I'm thinking of doing something similar to this. I am looking into getting a thermal divider of some sort to section off the area where all of my snakes are and putting a small heater there. If I do this he will surely be relocated to that room. In the mean while I'm trying to find a solution for where he is now.
 
@BeboSON
I'm thinking this is what I'm going to have to do.

@okiroo
Supplements - I will check in to Rapshy.
Cage Type - I understand this and was planning on building another enclosure closer to the specs you've listed.
Lighting - So I've heard before but as I stated, these are about 3 weeks old.
Temperature - This is what I was thinking I'm going to have to do.
Humidity - His urates are white. As for the humidity levels, I'm thinking that it should be fine as is due to his seemingly effortless shedding, though I may be wrong.
Plants - No pictures right now. I looked into the live plant database here before purchasing a plant and put a fare amount of thought in it. The plant really does fill the enclosure up, there'd be no room for a pothos.
Placement - He's on a kind of custom shelf that keeps the bottom of his enclosure about two feet off the ground.
I'm meticulous with my reptiles as I feel if I choose to keep them in captivity I accept the responsibility to take better care of them than Mother Nature. I can't raise the temps in the house, it's just not an option, though I am looking in to buying a house where I would have a reptile room and could regulate the ambient temperature much better then. As for the needing of a vet visit, I have the best vet there is and I'm sure he wouldn't tell me to hold off for two days if it wasn't okay.

@jannb
Dr. Ivan is my vet, I just don't like dropping names. He is THE best reptile vet I have ever met.

@suzi
I'm thinking of doing something similar to this. I am looking into getting a thermal divider of some sort to section off the area where all of my snakes are and putting a small heater there. If I do this he will surely be relocated to that room. In the mean while I'm trying to find a solution for where he is now.





im glad you've got things handled. i just put things you might want to look into. i wish you the best of luck with your cham. please keep us up updated :)
 
what is in RI?

Repsitory infection. its probally the most common problem lizzards get. its usually due to improper hibitat or breathing in water. :( even when you do really well your chams can still get them. i bought clair with one from petsmart and than my other got one later dureing a shower. shes doesnt get showers anymore. lol.
 
Thanks for the link! Also, how often should I use this dusting?

Your quite welcome. :)

It is recommended for every feeding. I occasionally skip a day a week, but my crickets really love the Bug Burger that he sells and I don't think it hurts to miss one day a week.
 
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