WelshOneEmma
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Sorry, a little bit of an essay here! I have noticed Hugo, our veiled, getting two chubby areas on the side of his jaw, just below the mouth. I have been searching on here for gular edema, but all the pictures seem to show a large swelling under the mouth and throat area. Is this the start of an edema, or something else, or is it that I am possibly over feeding him? He doesn’t have waxies every day, but he will have a couple a week some weeks. I have filled in the how to help section, and also attached some pictures. Any insight and help would be greatly appreciated. I have attached pictures of him, at various angles, to show what i am concerned about.
Cage Info:
• Cage Type – 2ft x 2ft x 3ft Plywood cage with glass sliding doors. Two large ventilation holes on both left and right side of cage. Please be aware that I am in the UK, so this type of cage is standard due to needing to maintain temps.
• Lighting – We have a linear Repti-sun 5.0 UVB light at the top of the cage, no plastic / glass in the way. It is on from 8am to 9.45pm. We also have a standard 40w bulb to the right and front of the cage for him to bask under, which is about 6 inches above the vine. This is on from 7.45am to 10pm.
• Temperature – General cage temperature ranges from 21°C to 25°C with the basking spot ranging from 31°C to 35°C (anything over 35.5°C and he gapes so we keep an eye on this!) At nights his temps go down to about 18°C. These are measured using a digital thermometer.
• Humidity – Humidity stays at around 50%. We mist 3 times a day and have live plants in there to help keep it up. When misting this usually spikes to about 60-70%. This is also measured via a digital thermometer/hygrometer
• Plants – He currently has 2 x Ficus’, 2 x Dracaena, 1 x Schefflera and 1 x Boston fern in there.
• Placement – Cage is in the corner of the living room. Quite low traffic although he does watch the cats from time to time, but they aren’t interested in him. Top of Cage is about 6ft from floor.
• Location – ‘Sunny’ Winnersh, near Reading, Berks, United Kingdom.
Chameleon Info:
• Your Chameleon – Male veiled, about 6 months old. We have had him since he was about 6-8 weeks.
• Handling – For the first four months, very rarely (about twice). In the last few weeks he has been coming over to us and climbing on us when we mist him, so we handle him then, but only when he comes to us. I would say maybe 3-4 times a week at present, for about 5-10 minutes max each time.
• Feeding – He is fed on locusts and crickets, with waxies for the occasional treat. We put in about 6-10 locusts or crickets a day. Sometimes he will eat about 6, some days he will have one or two. Occasionally will eat all. They are put in about 9am and taken out at about 8pm. We alternate them, so one day will be locusts, the following day will be crickets. All crickets are fed on a mix of cricket diet (vitamins and minerals), bug grub (bran), fresh vegetables such as carrots, Kale, a little cabbage, salad, grapes etc plus bee pollen and have bug gel for hydration. All locusts are fed on a mix of lettuce / salad leave, cabbage, kale, carrots. Basically depends on the fruit and veg that comes in the veg box! Waxies are fed on bee pollen. If any waxies pupate the cocoons go in there, so he also has the occasional wax moth.
• Supplements – We currently dust the feeders with either Calypso Calcium dust (just calcium) and Nutrobal. They are dusted with the Calcium dust Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, with the Nutrobal on the Wednesday and Saturday, nothing on the Sunday. Nutrobal contains 200mg calcium, 150IU D3 plus vitamins A, E, K, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, folic, nicotinic & pantothenic acids, biotin, choline, niacin and minerals Na, Fe, Co, I, Mn, Zn, Se and Cu. The breeder we got him from told us to supplement with Nutrobal at every feeding, but I thought this might be a bit too much D3 and vit A, so do it twice a week.
• Watering – He is misted min 3 times a day, for 3-5 mins. Water is boiled before it is used, and left to cool down a bit before use. I usually try to empty at least half of the spray pump in the cage. Very rarely see him drinking, but sometimes he walks into the mist licking his lips.
• Fecal Description – Poo is dark, and poo-like! Usually large urate attached (sometimes it separates), very white! Never been tested for parasites.
• History – Usually quite skittish, never been a fan of being handled. In the last 6 weeks he has started patrolling a lot more and will sometimes walk down to us when we are misting and climbs out onto us. Will often come to me for a waxie!
• Current Problem – swelling on the jawline.
Cage Info:
• Cage Type – 2ft x 2ft x 3ft Plywood cage with glass sliding doors. Two large ventilation holes on both left and right side of cage. Please be aware that I am in the UK, so this type of cage is standard due to needing to maintain temps.
• Lighting – We have a linear Repti-sun 5.0 UVB light at the top of the cage, no plastic / glass in the way. It is on from 8am to 9.45pm. We also have a standard 40w bulb to the right and front of the cage for him to bask under, which is about 6 inches above the vine. This is on from 7.45am to 10pm.
• Temperature – General cage temperature ranges from 21°C to 25°C with the basking spot ranging from 31°C to 35°C (anything over 35.5°C and he gapes so we keep an eye on this!) At nights his temps go down to about 18°C. These are measured using a digital thermometer.
• Humidity – Humidity stays at around 50%. We mist 3 times a day and have live plants in there to help keep it up. When misting this usually spikes to about 60-70%. This is also measured via a digital thermometer/hygrometer
• Plants – He currently has 2 x Ficus’, 2 x Dracaena, 1 x Schefflera and 1 x Boston fern in there.
• Placement – Cage is in the corner of the living room. Quite low traffic although he does watch the cats from time to time, but they aren’t interested in him. Top of Cage is about 6ft from floor.
• Location – ‘Sunny’ Winnersh, near Reading, Berks, United Kingdom.
Chameleon Info:
• Your Chameleon – Male veiled, about 6 months old. We have had him since he was about 6-8 weeks.
• Handling – For the first four months, very rarely (about twice). In the last few weeks he has been coming over to us and climbing on us when we mist him, so we handle him then, but only when he comes to us. I would say maybe 3-4 times a week at present, for about 5-10 minutes max each time.
• Feeding – He is fed on locusts and crickets, with waxies for the occasional treat. We put in about 6-10 locusts or crickets a day. Sometimes he will eat about 6, some days he will have one or two. Occasionally will eat all. They are put in about 9am and taken out at about 8pm. We alternate them, so one day will be locusts, the following day will be crickets. All crickets are fed on a mix of cricket diet (vitamins and minerals), bug grub (bran), fresh vegetables such as carrots, Kale, a little cabbage, salad, grapes etc plus bee pollen and have bug gel for hydration. All locusts are fed on a mix of lettuce / salad leave, cabbage, kale, carrots. Basically depends on the fruit and veg that comes in the veg box! Waxies are fed on bee pollen. If any waxies pupate the cocoons go in there, so he also has the occasional wax moth.
• Supplements – We currently dust the feeders with either Calypso Calcium dust (just calcium) and Nutrobal. They are dusted with the Calcium dust Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, with the Nutrobal on the Wednesday and Saturday, nothing on the Sunday. Nutrobal contains 200mg calcium, 150IU D3 plus vitamins A, E, K, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, folic, nicotinic & pantothenic acids, biotin, choline, niacin and minerals Na, Fe, Co, I, Mn, Zn, Se and Cu. The breeder we got him from told us to supplement with Nutrobal at every feeding, but I thought this might be a bit too much D3 and vit A, so do it twice a week.
• Watering – He is misted min 3 times a day, for 3-5 mins. Water is boiled before it is used, and left to cool down a bit before use. I usually try to empty at least half of the spray pump in the cage. Very rarely see him drinking, but sometimes he walks into the mist licking his lips.
• Fecal Description – Poo is dark, and poo-like! Usually large urate attached (sometimes it separates), very white! Never been tested for parasites.
• History – Usually quite skittish, never been a fan of being handled. In the last 6 weeks he has started patrolling a lot more and will sometimes walk down to us when we are misting and climbs out onto us. Will often come to me for a waxie!
• Current Problem – swelling on the jawline.
), or was over supplementing. I am just so paranoid that we may lose him like we did Draig! Hopefully some others can chime in.
