Supplements

[dudeman728]

i just read on the forums that if you use the powder too often, then that can also cause MBD. i have a 1 1/2 month old veiled and i use sticky tongue farms miner-all. on the instructions it said to dust everyday for growing chameleons. are these instructions wrong? should i be dusting less often? if i am supposed to dust everyday, do i dust every cricket or do should i just dust one? thanks for the help

 

[summoner12]

i just read on the forums that if you use the powder too often, then that can also cause MBD. i have a 1 1/2 month old veiled and i use sticky tongue farms miner-all. on the instructions it said to dust everyday for growing chameleons. are these instructions wrong? should i be dusting less often? if i am supposed to dust everyday, do i dust every cricket or do should i just dust one? thanks for the help

Over dusting shouldn't cause MBD.... but if you over supplement some vits and mins you'll OD the animal.

You do not want to over due it with supplments that have vit D3. especially if you take your cham outside.

I am unsure which supplement you are using, what color is the lid? red or white or yellow?

Check out Brad Ramsey's site for some supplmenting info, it should answer your questions.

 

[dudeman728]

i have the yellow capped one. is there ones that you recommend specifically? the petstore told me they use this one in the store

 

[dudeman728]

oh and also, what supplements are NECESSARY? i just want to clarify some things because ive read so many different things in the past couple of days

 

[Brad Ramsey]

Here is my article on the subject:

http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/2007/12/supplements.html

-Brad

 

[jannb]

oh and also, what supplements are NECESSARY? i just want to clarify some things because ive read so many different things in the past couple of days

Calcium without D3 at just about every feeding

Calcium with D3 twice a month

Multi vit. once a month

Lightly dust you feeders.....don't make them look like ghost.

 

[dudeman728]

so is miner-all not enough? do i need to buy the multivitamin and the calcium without D3 still? this is the breakdown of miner-all

Calcium min %34 max %36
Vitamin D3 4,400.00 IU
Manganese453.66 mg
Zinc 544.39 mg
Iron 136.10mg
Copper 113.42mg
Iodine 36.29 mg
Cobalt 3.63mg
Magnesium 453.66 mg
Selenium 11.023 mg

 

[chameleon97]

do i need to buy the multivitamin and the calcium without D3 still?

Yes

so is miner-all not enough?

Not enough

-Steve

Use these 3

 

[jannb]

You do not want to give D3 to often. You cham will over dose on it. The 3 pictures above is what I use and this is where I buy them:
http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/reptile-supplies/vitamins-medicines-and-cage-cleaners/

 

[kinyonga]

D3 FROM SUPPLEMENTS and preformed vitamin A are the two main vitamins you need to worry about building up in the system. I think you really have to overdo the calcium or have a poor balance of nutrients to end up with calcium being an issue.

Here are some sites you might like to read...
http://web.archive.org/web/20060502...rnals.com/vet/index.php?show=5.Vitamin.A.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20060421.../index.php?show=6.Vitamin.D3.and.Calcium.html
http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=102

 

[dudeman728]

i just bought the calcium and the multivitamin from the website. thank you guys so much. just to clarify, i should just treat the miner-all like the pink colored one correct? because it carries the D3 vitamin? i dont want to buy a new one cause i feel like i wasted money.

 

[chameleon97]

Use the First one 6 times a week.
Use the Second one Twice a month.
Use the Third one Twice a month

(Im talking about that pic i posted)

What Brands did you get?

 

[dudeman728]

i got the same exact ones in the picture you posted. i was just wondering if i could use the miner-all indoors instead of the pink one because it has D3 in it. the miner-all is new so it seems like a waste if i need to throw it out.

i REALLY appreciate the info, concern, and help you all are giving me. i just want my chameleon to be happy!

 

[chameleon97]

Rep Cal has more D3...
So Rep Cal Is better

Miner al has 4,400 IU...
Rep Cal has 400,000 IU

Go with Rep Cal.

-Steve

 

[dudeman728]

im just going to go with your advice and get all 3. the statistics about the D3 convinced me. i am just really bummed because i dont know what to do with the miner-all! such a waste of money! oh well...thats just how life goes sometimes

 

[chameleon97]

im just going to go with your advice and get all 3. the statistics about the D3 convinced me. i am just really bummed because i dont know what to do with the miner-all! such a waste of money! oh well...thats just how life goes sometimes

Ive done it too. i bought Flukers with D3... But in PUNY fine print it said "Vitimin D3 enriched"

I thought it was without D3

-Steve

 

[jannb]

im just going to go with your advice and get all 3. the statistics about the D3 convinced me. i am just really bummed because i dont know what to do with the miner-all! such a waste of money! oh well...thats just how life goes sometimes

Don't throw out the Miner-all because some of the members here use it. I'm just not sure what you would substitute it for.

 

[Zen Reptiles]

If you oversupplement with a multivitamin, you can cause MBD.

The reason for this is that vitamin d3 competes with vitamin A and E for
absorption in the gut. This can cause more absorption of one or two and
a deficiency in the other.

That is why it is recommended to not mix your dusts, and do it a few days apart.

So basically, A and E can affect d3 absorption, which means it will have the
effect on the animal of calcium deficiency/MBD because without d3, calcium
cannot be properly absorbed.

 

[Zen Reptiles]

PS Minerall is meant to be low dosage so it can be used at every feeding,
whereas rep-cal is meant to be used once or twice a month.

That is why there is a big difference.

It is by far SAFER to go with miner-all, because you are getting the D3 but
not risking a potential overdose.

I say go with Minerall - I used to use RepCal and switched to Minerall about
4 months ago - best thing I ever did. I've noticed an improvement in EVERY
single one of my animals since switching.

edit: also, only so much calcium can be absorbed at any given time. So
giving d3 in 400,000 IU might actually be a complete waste,
where as 4,400 IU would be utilized more effectively.

 

[dudeman728]

oh well its not a big deal. from what i read, most people have had success with the repcal so i am just going to go with that. i can find a lot more information on those and strict schedules that have worked for many people. maybe ill just keep using the miner-all until he gets a little bigger to prevent overdose. thanks for all the advice!