Chachi
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RIP my Little Cita
Sometimes, we do everything we can think of and it is still not enough. I realized this while reading Maders, a 4" thick, medical tome, at 3:30 am.
I have told my little soldier's story here before in "Spayed and still digging" and other posts. If you want the whole story from the beginning and you are thinking of spaying, definitely read my discussions with other, more experienced cham owners.
Obviously, my chameleon died. Im posting this to let the ones who are interested know a little bit more. I cant remember dates and times, etc but it all happened in the last few months.
Cita couldnt lay her eggs but , otherwise, was in good health. She had mbd in the past but it has been years. I did not breed her for several reasons but mostly because she had been through a lot and i loved her too much to put her through it
Besides, Im scared.
Anyway she hunted and hunted and could not lay her eggs. She had laid them before in the same place so i knew something was wrong. I talked about it w everybody and decided we had to do the surgery. Hind sight is 20/20. At this point, we should have put her on a prophylactic antibiotic regimine. But, her dr and i didnt think of it-well, I didnt think of it. He said chams are just so unpredictable he thought against it. I think he was wrong.But to his credit, he discussed everything w me and the man was very involved. Also, once we realized something went wrong, he told me to pt away my credit card. I didnt pay for anything after that.
After the surgery, Cita did well-during the surgery she did well but the dr said he was astonished at the mess that 50 eggs had made.
I took her home prepared w babyfood meat etc. But the next day she ate. She drank from the very beginning. Two days later she pooped. I thought she was fine. Wrong.
She was eating, gaining back some weight, flying her tail. I was so glad.
Then a few weeks later, she didnt eat one morning. That is very unusual. And from there, it went down til she became so gravely ill, i put her down.
On necropsy, the dr said there was infection from vent to throat..
He was looking for egg yolks. Sometimes, the dr misses or the cham grows a tiny little follicle the size of a pin head and because of that, will make eggs. But those eggs no longer have a place to make a shell or grow, so they dump into the abdomen. This causes peritonitis. He said, no yolks.
But something got infected. It was slow to grow if it started at surgeryl date. That doesnt seem right. Too much time and eating etc. So, we dont know. Lots of infection but she kept trying to meet me at her cage door. I would show her the food and she would turn away.
If any of you have any experience here, please talk to me. What could i have done?
That first day she didnt eat...I let it go. Tried the next day. Nope. I gave her Batryl. A 7 day call. Nope. I knew then, but ....
Is it possible to, when spaying, to take the ovaries only. That way, if she grows a follicle it wont kill her? Or will the ovaducts become necrotic? Or would that not be a spay at all.
One of their ovaries is definitely in a bad place for complete removal.
Questions? Please, some Opinions?
Sometimes, we do everything we can think of and it is still not enough. I realized this while reading Maders, a 4" thick, medical tome, at 3:30 am.
I have told my little soldier's story here before in "Spayed and still digging" and other posts. If you want the whole story from the beginning and you are thinking of spaying, definitely read my discussions with other, more experienced cham owners.
Obviously, my chameleon died. Im posting this to let the ones who are interested know a little bit more. I cant remember dates and times, etc but it all happened in the last few months.
Cita couldnt lay her eggs but , otherwise, was in good health. She had mbd in the past but it has been years. I did not breed her for several reasons but mostly because she had been through a lot and i loved her too much to put her through it
Besides, Im scared.
Anyway she hunted and hunted and could not lay her eggs. She had laid them before in the same place so i knew something was wrong. I talked about it w everybody and decided we had to do the surgery. Hind sight is 20/20. At this point, we should have put her on a prophylactic antibiotic regimine. But, her dr and i didnt think of it-well, I didnt think of it. He said chams are just so unpredictable he thought against it. I think he was wrong.But to his credit, he discussed everything w me and the man was very involved. Also, once we realized something went wrong, he told me to pt away my credit card. I didnt pay for anything after that.
After the surgery, Cita did well-during the surgery she did well but the dr said he was astonished at the mess that 50 eggs had made.
I took her home prepared w babyfood meat etc. But the next day she ate. She drank from the very beginning. Two days later she pooped. I thought she was fine. Wrong.
She was eating, gaining back some weight, flying her tail. I was so glad.
Then a few weeks later, she didnt eat one morning. That is very unusual. And from there, it went down til she became so gravely ill, i put her down.
On necropsy, the dr said there was infection from vent to throat..
He was looking for egg yolks. Sometimes, the dr misses or the cham grows a tiny little follicle the size of a pin head and because of that, will make eggs. But those eggs no longer have a place to make a shell or grow, so they dump into the abdomen. This causes peritonitis. He said, no yolks.
But something got infected. It was slow to grow if it started at surgeryl date. That doesnt seem right. Too much time and eating etc. So, we dont know. Lots of infection but she kept trying to meet me at her cage door. I would show her the food and she would turn away.
If any of you have any experience here, please talk to me. What could i have done?
That first day she didnt eat...I let it go. Tried the next day. Nope. I gave her Batryl. A 7 day call. Nope. I knew then, but ....
Is it possible to, when spaying, to take the ovaries only. That way, if she grows a follicle it wont kill her? Or will the ovaducts become necrotic? Or would that not be a spay at all.
One of their ovaries is definitely in a bad place for complete removal.
Questions? Please, some Opinions?
So sorry for the loss of your little Cita. I have a female veiled who has not layed eggs yet and it scares the crap out of me just thinking about it. You did everything you could...sometimes we just have no control. You were a good Mom. (((HUGS)))
