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brownie64
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camimom
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I think you are using the wrong lighting.
First, I want you to get them into separate screen cages.
(glass tends to heat up a lot, and jax don't like high heat)
Next, I want you to get a tube style 5.0 uvb bulb.
then fill the cage with lots of plants.
also, try getting them outside into natural sun if that's possible.
see if this corrects the eye shutting issue.
You can PM me at any time if you want, since threads tend to move and what not here on the forum.
Good luck!
First, I want you to get them into separate screen cages.
(glass tends to heat up a lot, and jax don't like high heat)
Next, I want you to get a tube style 5.0 uvb bulb.
then fill the cage with lots of plants.
also, try getting them outside into natural sun if that's possible.
see if this corrects the eye shutting issue.
You can PM me at any time if you want, since threads tend to move and what not here on the forum.
Good luck!
brownie64
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I'm not trying to be smart with you, but if I understand you correctly. I need to go and buy 5 individual scree enclosures all with their own 5.0 UVB tube and fixture, then plant them all with several live plants? Do you have any Idea just how much that would cost? Not that money is an issue per`se, but if you don't have it you don't have it. How does the saying go you can't squeeze blood from a turnip. However if you know a more economical way to achieve this I'm all ears. You must understand I'm not a professional breeder, nor do I have that kind of equipment lying around. Thank you for your help. I do appreciate it, and hope you don't think I'm just dismissing it I wish I could do as you suggest.
camimom
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If you cant do 5 cages, that's fine, but being in glass is probably causing some of your issues.
Glass just isn't right for chams, esp when its actually a fish tank.
how old are they?
If under 4 months, you can get a way with a large screen cage, like the 2x2x4 ft cages we use for adult chams.
Glass just isn't right for chams, esp when its actually a fish tank.
how old are they?
If under 4 months, you can get a way with a large screen cage, like the 2x2x4 ft cages we use for adult chams.
brownie64
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This is what my fish tank looks like. Do you still think it is inadequate. If so I think I can manage getting another cage even if I have to construct it myself. But you should know the temps in the tank are lower than the screen enclosure do to the air being pumped into it. Thank you again for your help.
brownie64
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One side has 5 babies male, they are about three months old. The other side holds the Mom.
It stands 5' high, 1 1/2' wide, and 4' feet long 2' for the babies, and 2' for mom. I'll start turning the UVB bulb off half way through the day, until I can get a 5.0 UVB tube.
Lovereps
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Definitely not normal Jackson's baby behavior
If you post a link to your previous post, it makes getting a number of intelligent responses more likely.
I raised all of my Jackson's babies successfully and that was 3 clutches of over 50.
My way certainly isn't the only way and your baby cham problems may or may not be related to things you have or haven't done--but without at least linking to your other thread, people usually don't want to bother searching , if you can't be bothered posting a link.
If you post a link to your previous post, it makes getting a number of intelligent responses more likely.
I raised all of my Jackson's babies successfully and that was 3 clutches of over 50.
My way certainly isn't the only way and your baby cham problems may or may not be related to things you have or haven't done--but without at least linking to your other thread, people usually don't want to bother searching , if you can't be bothered posting a link.
brownie64
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I was going to post it to my original link but it has gone on so long I didn't figure anyone would bother to look. Sorry for the confusion. As far as the babies are concerned they have had that behavior on and off since the beginning. Maybe it's like Action Jackson said maybe they were doomed from the start because of their mom. All I know is I've done everything I can, and even though they look healthy they are dropping like flies. And this isn't my first rodeo I have raised 5 clutches of veiled, and they were no way near as difficult . Maybe if I lived in an area where I could raise them outside I don't know it is more than frustrating. If anyone on here would like the other 4 just pay for the shipping and they are yours, would probably be a waste of money though.
Lovereps
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I doubt they could take the stress of shipping if they're already having problems.
Although you said,"this isn't my first rodeo I have raised 5 clutches of veiled, and they were no way near as difficult ." I think that Jackson's babies are in a different class of difficulty than other types of chams.
I don't know of any other species of cham where people typically experience such huge percentages of losses.
Personally, I didn't breathe easily until after they all reached six months and I have not offered any for sale until now for that very reason.
All I can advise you is to block their view of Momma, if they can see her, make sure each of the survivors is drinking---and they can sometimes requires 3 minutes or more of direct handmisting before their brain gives them the ,"I need to drink." message--- and try some very high calcium feeders like Phoenixworms.
FWIW, I did not raise any of my Jackson's babies outdoors and I did not use any heat source--only the linear fluorescent 5.0 light, which was already well-used.
An exo-terra 18x18x36 was their home for months--and maybe that is part of the answer---consistently high humidity of 50-80%.
Camimom mentioned that you're using a UVB greater than 5.0---perhaps that is the issue.
The bad UVB bulbs years ago did actually kill chams and other reptiles.
If you raise it higher you'll lessen the amount of UVB reaching them but then you will lessen available heat for them to digest, so a weaker bulb seems like it's at least worth a try.
I know how much you wanted these babies to make it, since IIRC their father recently passed and I am truly sad for you that it looks grim.
Although you said,"this isn't my first rodeo I have raised 5 clutches of veiled, and they were no way near as difficult ." I think that Jackson's babies are in a different class of difficulty than other types of chams.
I don't know of any other species of cham where people typically experience such huge percentages of losses.
Personally, I didn't breathe easily until after they all reached six months and I have not offered any for sale until now for that very reason.
All I can advise you is to block their view of Momma, if they can see her, make sure each of the survivors is drinking---and they can sometimes requires 3 minutes or more of direct handmisting before their brain gives them the ,"I need to drink." message--- and try some very high calcium feeders like Phoenixworms.
FWIW, I did not raise any of my Jackson's babies outdoors and I did not use any heat source--only the linear fluorescent 5.0 light, which was already well-used.
An exo-terra 18x18x36 was their home for months--and maybe that is part of the answer---consistently high humidity of 50-80%.
Camimom mentioned that you're using a UVB greater than 5.0---perhaps that is the issue.
The bad UVB bulbs years ago did actually kill chams and other reptiles.
If you raise it higher you'll lessen the amount of UVB reaching them but then you will lessen available heat for them to digest, so a weaker bulb seems like it's at least worth a try.
I know how much you wanted these babies to make it, since IIRC their father recently passed and I am truly sad for you that it looks grim.
brownie64
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Thanks for your hart felt concern. I'll keep trying until there isn't nothing I can do. I'll raise the bulb until I can get the linier tube 5.0 UVB. The crickets I just bought seem to have doubled in size over night. So after spending 29.99 on crickets I'm going to have to get some smaller ones. Didn't know crickets grew that fast. Do you know a better feeder I can buy in bulk that wont outgrow the chams limit before I feed them?
Lovereps
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My suspicion is that it may be worth it to dump the high UV bulb for a 5.0 now.
I feel like I must sound like a spokesman for Phoenixworms but they are relished by the chams, high in calcium and other nutrients and have a relatively high water content.
I order mine from here http://www.phoenixworm.com/servlet/the-Phoenix-Worm-Sizes--Place-Order-Here/Categories
Are your chams no longer interested in Hydei FFFs?
I don't recall how old your babies are but I also used Hydei from Josh's Frogs for a few months.
They really didn't tire of them.
I feel like I must sound like a spokesman for Phoenixworms but they are relished by the chams, high in calcium and other nutrients and have a relatively high water content.
I order mine from here http://www.phoenixworm.com/servlet/the-Phoenix-Worm-Sizes--Place-Order-Here/Categories
Are your chams no longer interested in Hydei FFFs?
I don't recall how old your babies are but I also used Hydei from Josh's Frogs for a few months.
They really didn't tire of them.
brownie64
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That is what I was thinking they are small but at least they stay that way I'll order some tonight.
