Sick Chameleon, Follicular Stasis and other problems

Naadhira

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I’m hoping that someone here may be able to help figure out what is going on with my chameleon. She’s had a long history of issues and right now even her vet is unsure of what is wrong with her.

The basics:

Female Veiled Chameleon, 3.5 years
Heat Source: 50W bulb heat lamp
UVB: Repti Glo 10.0 (26W)
Temperature: 90-95 degrees (basking light), 70-75 degrees (side w/o light)
Lights on 12 hour on/off cycle
Humidity: 40-50%
Water: Water dripper, daily
Environment: Sticks, pothos plant, a few fake plants, laying bin with 50% plantation soil/50% sand
Cage: Wire mesh, 2’x 2’x 3’
Diet: Currently she is being force fed wax worms, but her normal diet is crickets (gut loaded w/ greens) and occasionally phoenix worms or silk worms, all dusted with calcium powder (w/o vit D)

In October of 2010, I brought Naadhira into the vet because she wasn’t eating. Her WBC count was high, which indicated an infection, and she was put on antibiotics. Her calcium was quite high, which might have been an indicator of reproductive activity. About two months later, I was doing a fecal float on her since she still wasn’t doing very well, and I found the source of her problem: she had passed three small rocks. After three trips to the vet and the pain of passing those rocks, she was never the same again. She had also had some fluid build up and swelling in her eye and elevated phosphorous levels. The fluid was looked at microscopically, but nothing was found. The same eye still tends to get off every once in a while and the fleshy part inside her eye socket is exposed, but it pops back into place (not sure if I'm explaining that well).

In May of 2011, I brought Naadhira back to the vet because of ongoing aggression, reduced appetite and mild lethargy. Since her last visit she had gained 22 grams and radiographs showed follicular development in her abdomen.

For the next few months I offered her two different laying bins with different mixtures of sand/soil, approx 12 inches deep. She never showed any signs of egg-laying behavior and was not eating well. She stopped eating crickets entirely and would not eat worms out of her dish. She ate a few worms from my hand or from on a leaf, but then eventually stopped eating entirely. She looked terrible, had sunken eyes and then one day I noticed her tail was black and not curled properly. I took her back to the vet and radiographs confirmed that the follicles had not progressed, most likely follicular stasis, and that her tail was not broken. She had lost about 20 grams. My vet also thought another possibility was liver disease or septicemia. There were small hemorrhages in her oral cavity and small amounts of bloody fluid in her glottis. She was tube fed carnivore care, given fluids and started on antibiotics. Her chemistry results were all normal (except CK which was sky high due to stress). I have been having her soak in warm water for 30 minutes daily and force-feeding her with tongs. She is extremely aggressive, hissing and striking at me whenever I go near her and attempt to feed her. I have most of her cage covered with fabric so that my coming and going from the room don’t disturb her.

I’m just not sure what kind of quality of life she has right now. Has anyone been in a similar situation or know what might be wrong? Is it all just complications from the follicular stasis? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
I'm not a vet so I don't know how much help I can be. I have kept chameleons for over 20 years though.

How old was she when you got her? Has she ever produced eggs?
What supplements specifically did you give her and how often for each?

You said that at one point she had elevated phosphorous levels...was that corrected? You said she wad given carnivore care...it usually has preformed vitamin A in it and D3 and phosphorus...so it may have caused problems.

What's CK?

You said..."radiographs confirmed that the follicles had not progressed, most likely follicular stasis"...the only solution for follicular stasis is for her to be spayed...and you'll want to do it before she gets too weak. If the follicles start to decay inside her she will get septicemia and die.
 
kinyonga,
I think she was about 5 or 6 months old when I got her. She has never produced any eggs. I give her a calcium powder (w/o vit D as directed by her vet) dusted on her food, but she hasn't been eating much of anything lately. Her phosphorus is back to normal. She was only given the carnivore care one time at the vet on Monday.

CK is creatine kinase, and when it's elevated it usually indicates damage to muscle or injury and in humans, is an indicator of heart problems or renal failure. I work in the lab at the animal hospital she's seen at and CK tends to be higher for animals that are really stressed out. So, it's hard to tell if it is really important or not, unless there is an obvious injury. I'm very concerned about her tail not curling properly (and the fact that she's clumsy w/o it working right) and the blood that was found in her mouth.

Does anyone know if symptoms improve simply after spaying her and removing the follicles?
 
Just wanted to make sure that CK was creatine kinase. (As I said I'm not a vet so sometimes I'm not sure if it can stand for more than one thing or not.)

The spaying will just get rid of the follicles and the chance of them turning septic if they haven't already.

The tail is kind of strange although I've heard of it happening a couple of times.
Were any blood samples taken through the tail?

Don't know what's going on with the bleeding in the mouth and glotis area either.

Have you always had her temperatures that high in the basking area?
How much do you feed her in a week?
 
I believe she's had her blood drawn three times through her tail (the third time being this past Monday). Last year after the blood draws, her tail remained discolored for a very long time, but it curled properly and she was using it normally and eventually it went back to normal. This time, the discoloration happened to her tail before I brought her in and it wasn't curling right, so I don't think it is related to the blood draw.

The temp was around 90 directly under her basking light the last time I looked. Are you saying that is too high?

She hasn't been eating consistenly for months. She's probably been getting too many waxworms, which I know are nutritonally useless. But she won't hunt. I should probably try more nutritious worms again. I used to feed her every day, but at this point, I'm lucky if I can get a few worms in her a day or every other day. She even used to munch on greens that I left in her cage, but stopped doing that after all the problems started.
 
Reptiglo 10.0

You said in your post that your lighting was a reptiglo 10.0, most owners on here recommend using reptisun 5.0 the 18 inch linear bulb.
 
If she hasn't been eating much that could be why she didn't ever lay eggs.

I had to ask about the blood draw to decide if it could have been the reason for the tail not curling.

I asked about the amount of food she was eating to see if she would/should have been producing eggs.

The only concern with the temperature is that normally it would have made her metabolism run higher and left her more hungry. I keep my female veileds in the mid to low 80's to keep them less hungry so that I can feed them less and slow/stop the reproduction.

Nothing else is striking me as a reason for her problems right now. Sorry. :(
 
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