TheLivingLegend
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After being suggested to use Minerall Indoor for a D3 supplement, it has other vitamins in it as well. Probably not a good idea, will throw off the multivitamin amounts given.
Question about Sticky Minerall Indoor
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ataraxia
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Sticky tongue indoor can be used like any other product with D3 safely at twice a month with most species that require moderate amounts of vitd (veileds, panthers, oustalets, etc). If you have a species like jacksons, that doesnt require as much vitD. Once a month dusting is suitable.
Though it is not the indoor formula. I can testify that i have used the outdoor formula regularly once to twice a week and see no ill effects on any of my animals. The product is not a full rounded multivitamin. You will still need one with the essential vitamins needed to survive.
Though it is not the indoor formula. I can testify that i have used the outdoor formula regularly once to twice a week and see no ill effects on any of my animals. The product is not a full rounded multivitamin. You will still need one with the essential vitamins needed to survive.
Echoezra
Established Member
Ataraxia, just to be clear, since I have a jar of this sitting around, the Minerall Indoor has significantly less Vit D levels than the usual recommended twice a month brand, Rep Cal, so do you still think it should be used as infrequently? I was always under the impression that if that was all you were using for your D3, that it could be used a little more often than twice a month.
ataraxia
Avid Member
Hi, honestly it is unclear the exact amounts needed from a preformed source to aid them with there needs (species specific). People have claimed to use the product calcium plus from repashy at every feeding with panthers. I have also heard that same product with jacksons used as frequent causes issues.
This is just my opinion: If your animal has a good uvb bulb and proper access to it, gets outside sun exposure, there is truly no need for a preformed source.
Your theory make since. Even though we have no exact data that shows how much of the dust to deliver...Its guessing game. I would honestly use any product with d3 twice a month that is on the market as of now.
This is just my opinion: If your animal has a good uvb bulb and proper access to it, gets outside sun exposure, there is truly no need for a preformed source.
Your theory make since. Even though we have no exact data that shows how much of the dust to deliver...Its guessing game. I would honestly use any product with d3 twice a month that is on the market as of now.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
Sticky Tongue Farms Miner-al is a really good product. You can get the one with D3 (indoor) or the one without (outdoor).
If you use the indoor one as your D3 supplement, it can be used weekly, even twice weekly (assuming you also have good UVB tubes)
This is what is in the indoor version (there are no vitamins other than D3, contrary to what LivingLegend has stated)
Guaranteed Analysis Per Kilo: Calcium; Min. 34% - Max. 36%, Manganese; 453.66 mg., Zinc; 544.39 mg., Iron; 136.10 mg., Copper; 113.42 mg., Iodine; 36.29 mg., Cobalt; 3.63 mg., Magnesium; 453.66 mg., Selenium; 11.023. mg., plus Vitamin D3; 4,400.00 I.U.
If you use the indoor one as your D3 supplement, it can be used weekly, even twice weekly (assuming you also have good UVB tubes)
This is what is in the indoor version (there are no vitamins other than D3, contrary to what LivingLegend has stated)
Guaranteed Analysis Per Kilo: Calcium; Min. 34% - Max. 36%, Manganese; 453.66 mg., Zinc; 544.39 mg., Iron; 136.10 mg., Copper; 113.42 mg., Iodine; 36.29 mg., Cobalt; 3.63 mg., Magnesium; 453.66 mg., Selenium; 11.023. mg., plus Vitamin D3; 4,400.00 I.U.
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nightanole
Chameleon Enthusiast
Sticky tongue cant throw off vits, since it has no vits, its all minerals, henz the name "miner-all".
Its d3 is so low it can be used for daily use (its how i roll in the winter). To put it in perspective, miner-all indoor has 10x less d3 than Rep Cal, so even with daily use its still less than Rep Cal if you only use Rep Cal 2x a month.
Its d3 is so low it can be used for daily use (its how i roll in the winter). To put it in perspective, miner-all indoor has 10x less d3 than Rep Cal, so even with daily use its still less than Rep Cal if you only use Rep Cal 2x a month.
Hoj
Friendly Grasshopper
Statements like this without proper knowleged and info do more harm than good.
As others have stated the other vitamins and minerals in Mineral are not significant enough as to unbalance the overal diet and regular suppelementing.
summoner12
Avid Member
Please don't make blanket statements with nothing to back it up
The D3 supplement from stickyfarms is meant to be used daily for new born to half grown as it has a very low dose of D3 in it. As the animals get older they suggest to spread out the use at a max of every third feeding for adults.
Read the labels on products please.
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The D3 supplement from stickyfarms is meant to be used daily for new born to half grown as it has a very low dose of D3 in it. As the animals get older they suggest to spread out the use at a max of every third feeding for adults.
Read the labels on products please.
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TheLivingLegend
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Ahem, I see alot more than just D3 in it.. Such as Manganese, zinc, iron, copper, iodine, cobalt magnesium..... So how can you say that there is nothing other than D3 in it?????
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
You incorrectly stated that this product contains "other vitamins as well [as D]" which is simply not true.
At no time did I state it has nothing other than D3 in it. Clearly, it has calcium and Minerals in it, as per the ingredient list. What I said was that is contains no vitamins other than D (and none at all if you get the outdoor version). I posted the ingredients to show that it has a variety of necessary MINERALS - Minerals are NOT VITAMINS. BTW - having these minerals with your calcium is a good thing, not going to "throw off" anything. For example, you need Magnesium for muscle and nerve function, to support a healthy immune system, and to keep bones strong
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TheLivingLegend
New Member
Minerals, vitamins.... Excuse me for not using the proper terminology, Im sure EVERYONE knows what I meant.
summoner12
Avid Member
I think we need to take a look at the name of the product from Stickey Tongue Farms. "Miner-All" This is a clever thing because it really means 'all minerals', a play on words. If we break out the periodic table of elements you will see that it lists the above ingredients on it. That is because they are MINERALS, NOT vitamins.
The thing about Miner-All is that you can use it pretty regularly. That is how it is intended. It has 100x less D3 in it than the Repti-cal brand D3 supplement. This is a very good thing as you have a lot less chance of ODing D3 to your animal and causing all kinds of issues. I only use the indoor Miner-All, and I do it at all feedings with my adults because I don't feed daily.
TheLivingLegend
New Member
BTW, a lot of the minerals found in herptivite are also found in minerall, so, YES, in will change the amounts being recieved in their supp. sched.
withlime
New Member
When using Miner-all with a proper gut load, no other supplements are required. That's kind of the point.
summoner12
Avid Member
Confused.
The above is your original message. Even if you meant to say that the Miner-All has 'other MINERALS' your argument is invalid. You are saying that you shouldn't use the Miner-All because it will throw off the amounts of vitamins given to your animal.... when the only vitamin is D3.
If you read on the Sticky Tongue Farms it talks about why the two types of supplements are not packaged together. The reason is that vitamins packaged with minerals will degrade one another and degrade the quality of the product.
I am pretty sure you aren't a nutritionist. So why are you giving this review?
The above is your original message. Even if you meant to say that the Miner-All has 'other MINERALS' your argument is invalid. You are saying that you shouldn't use the Miner-All because it will throw off the amounts of vitamins given to your animal.... when the only vitamin is D3.
If you read on the Sticky Tongue Farms it talks about why the two types of supplements are not packaged together. The reason is that vitamins packaged with minerals will degrade one another and degrade the quality of the product.
I am pretty sure you aren't a nutritionist. So why are you giving this review?
withlime
New Member
Do not go around posting a "review" of a product when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Linda, owner of sticky tongue farms, has been keeping chameleons for over 20 years and really knows what she's doing. Her product has been formulated and tested for years. Please do your research before you go around blasting misinformation.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
Well, I wasnt so sure that everyone would know that when you said vitamins you meant minerals. I just wanted to be sure that everyone understood that it does not contain extra vitamins.
and I didnt mean to upset you by providing this clarification.
sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
You are apparently assuming that people are using these two products in combination, and it seems like you are also assuming that they are using the two in such quantities that they would negatively impact the chameleon.
I dont necessarily agree with your assumptions.
TheLivingLegend
New Member
Im pretty sure that people are getting what Im saying that there are other supplements besides D3 in it. Some people think theyre a know it all, and love to argue or correct someone any chance they get, rather than try to understand what someone is trying to say that might not know the exact terminology. Im sure you have heard the word passive agressive before. See it on a daily basis.
