Quadricornis or Gracilior?

[jajeanpierre]

I was sold him as a T. q. quadricornis, but last night when talking to Laurie about his colors she wondered if he might be a q. gracilior. His toe nails are not red.

Here's a picture taken the morning after he arrived when he was still hiding deep in the foliage. He doesn't look as yellow--I don't know if he was just upset by my picture taking or if the phone took a yellow picture. I notice the leaves of the plant look too yellow.

This is the best picture I have of him. Don't look at any pictures I took of him at the store, because I don't think they are the same animal.

Quadricornis quadricornis or gracilior? Thanks.

 

[jajeanpierre]

It won't let me attach this picture--something about it already attached to another thread. Here's the link. I'll try to get better pictures today, but am having trouble getting a picture of him without a screen in the way.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/just-picked-up-my-t-q-quadricornis-137582/

 

[Chase]

The red toenails are not a definite indicating characteristic between the two subspecies. The only physical differences in aware of is that male gracilior hsve 6 horns instead of 4. Also their tailfin is a little different.

Here is a good thread, on the second page Chris Anderson puts a couple of pictures to help show the differences.

Chase

 

[jajeanpierre]

The red toenails are not a definite indicating characteristic between the two subspecies. The only physical differences in aware of is that male gracilior hsve 6 horns instead of 4. Also their tailfin is a little different.

Here is a good thread, on the second page Chris Anderson puts a couple of pictures to help show the differences.

Chase

Thanks Chase.

The link wasn't included in your repsponse.

Did you mean this thread?

https://www.chameleonforums.com/dis...ros-quadricornis-subspecies-52979/index2.html

Based on Chris Anderson's comments about the differences betwen the sail fins on the tail, I would have to say he is a T. q. quadricornis since the sail fin meets the tail quite abruptly.

I just wanted to be sure in case I join in with those trying to get the species established in the US. I want to be sure I don't breed him to a different sub species.

 

[Chase]

I would think he is T.q. quadricornis as well.

Sorry for not including the link, I meant to, but just forgot to paste!

Chase

 

[jajeanpierre]

I would think he is T.q. quadricornis as well.

Sorry for not including the link, I meant to, but just forgot to paste!

Chase

Is it a different link than the one I have?

I'm desperately trying to learn all I can about this species since two days ago I picked up one from the recent shipment from Cameroon. Any links to information on the species and their needs would be greatly appreciated. Laurie and Bill have helped me a lot.

Thanks.

 

[DeremensisBlue]

Thanks Chase.

The link wasn't included in your repsponse.

Did you mean this thread?

https://www.chameleonforums.com/dis...ros-quadricornis-subspecies-52979/index2.html

Based on Chris Anderson's comments about the differences betwen the sail fins on the tail, I would have to say he is a T. q. quadricornis since the sail fin meets the tail quite abruptly.

I just wanted to be sure in case I join in with those trying to get the species established in the US. I want to be sure I don't breed him to a different sub species.

I would be comfortable saying he is quad quad. He would be a great bloodline to add to the breeding pool.
Bill

 

[Chase]

Is it a different link than the one I have?

I'm desperately trying to learn all I can about this species since two days ago I picked up one from the recent shipment from Cameroon. Any links to information on the species and their needs would be greatly appreciated. Laurie and Bill have helped me a lot.

Thanks.

Well there is some stuff out there, I'll try to link everything I can.

Reptiles Magazine had a nice write up about them: http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Four-Horned-Chameleons/
My own write up, more breeding specific:https://www.chameleonforums.com/quadricornis-breeding-information-specifics-58222/
Another:https://www.chameleonforums.com/quadricornis-observations-52765/

Laurie and the others working to breed these fantastic chameleons are very knowledgeable. I have very limited experience with them, but will try to answer any question you have

Chase

 

[jajeanpierre]

I would be comfortable saying he is quad quad. He would be a great bloodline to add to the breeding pool.
Bill

He'll be available to your group in some way. The more genetic diversity the better. Is someone working on a stud book?

I'm going to try to pick up a pair of females over the next year. Not now--I need to learn this species. Laurie tells me raising babies is not as difficult as I fear it is. I can always drive eggs to someone else to hatch and raise, but I don't want to put them in the hands of someone who will just be trying to turn them over and make a buck.

Thanks for all your help, Bill.

 

[DeremensisBlue]

He'll be available to your group in some way. The more genetic diversity the better. Is someone working on a stud book?

I'm going to try to pick up a pair of females over the next year. Not now--I need to learn this species. Laurie tells me raising babies is not as difficult as I fear it is. I can always drive eggs to someone else to hatch and raise, but I don't want to put them in the hands of someone who will just be trying to turn them over and make a buck.

Thanks for all your help, Bill.

Babies are not that hard. You have time to research and learn how to do it. The more quad breeders the better and we all have a vested interest in making more quad breeders rather than limiting the number of successful people out there. We will do what it takes to give you all we can to make you successful if you choose to try.
Bill

 

[jajeanpierre]

Babies are not that hard. You have time to research and learn how to do it. The more quad breeders the better and we all have a vested interest in making more quad breeders rather than limiting the number of successful people out there. We will do what it takes to give you all we can to make you successful if you choose to try.
Bill

I imagine they are like chicks. All is good until there is a problem and then they go down really fast. Or, they hatch with some kind of a bacterial infection and get yoke peritonitis. I need to get this one I have to thrive before I can consider getting more.

The importer mentioned that there might be a new shipment coming fairly soon. I'll find out more when I go in--I'm going to go and take pictures of the males he still has for Laurie.

 

[Mike Fisher]

Laurie tells me raising babies is not as difficult as I fear it is.

Don't be intimidated. Quads are by far the easiest montane species I've ever kept/bred. Good to see them available to the masses again. It was hard for me to contain myself from getting some again, but I've decided to look to my future, not my past.

Best of luck to you!