coldbloodedAL
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Being ive never had to deal with a prolapse, this is all new to me. Vet can get me in if neccesary. I know i need to taker her in if she doesnt get it back in, so in the mean time do i just throw a bit of KY on it for now?
Prolapse? Bradypodion thamnobates female
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Turningdoc
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KY. Try GENTLE push back in w fingertip if possible
jannb
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That looks bad. You can try to push it in yourself with some KY but you are probably going to need a vet and a couple stitches afterwards. You should soak it in cold water with as much sugar dissolved in it as you can get to dissolve....thick with sugar. I soaked my girl all the way to the vets while my husband drove. My thread below.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/anyone-experience-female-prolapse-73088/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/anyone-experience-female-prolapse-73088/
My professional advice is to do as Jann described. Try some sugar water to help the tissue shrink down and keep the tissue moist, but if it won't return to normal on its own in the next hour or two then it's vet time to manually replace it and then a stitch to keep it in place. Also a fecal to look for parasites since that can predispose them to prolapse. Considering how valuable she is being one of the few females left I'd be pushing for vet care sooner than later.
Yes it is!
coldbloodedAL
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Thank you all! Im waiting to hear back from the vet, they tell me noe theyre booked til 5 and it becomes emergency appt after that. She was just in about a month for reoccurance of an RI and for a fecal which was clean.. I sure hope the vet calls back soon.
Ive been soaking for a while now. And it seems to have gotten a bit smaller but it doesnt look like its gonna happen without a vet
She was just in about a month for reoccurance of an RI and for a fecal which was clean.. I sure hope the vet calls back soon.Ive been soaking for a while now. And it seems to have gotten a bit smaller but it doesnt look like its gonna happen without a vet
coldbloodedAL
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Just heard back from the vet, soonest im getting in is 4:15
coldbloodedAL
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Occasionally she will have a urate with a tinge of orange in it, but not consistently. Misting is set at a minute at 8 AM. 30 sec at noon and 15 sec at 4. She is also given water via syringe a few times a week since she is on baytril still. Probably a total of .1 of water
coldbloodedAL
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Trust me, theyre hydrated... Now I cannot say for sure that its neither of those though. If by chance she does have parasites, they could have been cycling at the time of the fecal and didnt show up. Its always a possibility.
I am at the vet waiting now so we'll see...
Again, thank you all for the quick responses with help. Such a big reason I love this forum
coldbloodedAL
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Well, i have some good news and some bad...
The vet was able to get the prolapse back in without issue, and place a suture to keep it in. Glad to see another vet (different from the one i usually see at this place) able to work with chameleons, especially one that tops the scale at 6 grams. He had in back in and stitched in 5 minutes.
Bad- Her RI doesnt seem to be letting up this time, at all. Still gasping and wheezing.
So they have prescribed all kinds of stuff, four meds to be exact. Id like to get some insight on these before giving her any...
Metronidazole
Baytril
Trimethoprim
Meloxicam
One is a a pain med and the others are antibiotics/inflamatory. I will post the dosages if neccesary.
Pic of the suture
The vet was able to get the prolapse back in without issue, and place a suture to keep it in. Glad to see another vet (different from the one i usually see at this place) able to work with chameleons, especially one that tops the scale at 6 grams. He had in back in and stitched in 5 minutes.
Bad- Her RI doesnt seem to be letting up this time, at all. Still gasping and wheezing.
So they have prescribed all kinds of stuff, four meds to be exact. Id like to get some insight on these before giving her any...
Metronidazole
Baytril
Trimethoprim
Meloxicam
One is a a pain med and the others are antibiotics/inflamatory. I will post the dosages if neccesary.
Pic of the suture
Mmcbain1
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Thanks for your post coldbloodedal, I think it is great when people follow up with a picture and information on what your vet said. I wish your girl the best I know baytril is a top choice for RI. I have had success with it. I would be interested to see the doses? Just out of curiosity. And the weight of your cham. Did you raise your temps at all?, the vet always tells me that this helps (keeping them within range of coarse)? And make sure to keep us informed. Best wishes
coldbloodedAL
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I dont know all the doses off the top of my head, im not at home right now.. But she weighs 6 grams and they dosed baytril @ .02 once a day. Before i was dosing @ .01. I will be raising the temps as well which the vet did recommend.. They also recommended soaking her daily?...
Hopefully all these meds are not going to destroy her kidneys...
Please do not post the dosages. People can ask you in private if they'd like them. That's really not info that should be public as it can be abused. That said...
Metronidazole is an antibiotic with a different spectrum than baytril so may get the bacteria that the baytril hasn't gotten. It doesn't have a detrimental effect on the kidneys.
Trimethoprim is also an antibiotic with a little different spectrum than baytril. You should increase hydration with this one like you do in baytril because it has the potential to be hard on the kidneys, but more commonly on the liver. I'll need to look for reptile specific info to make sure it's consistent across all species. Edit: I can't find anything specifically on this med causing concern for the kidneys and it is used fairly often. So I wouldn't be as worried about this one.
While baytril is a good go-to drug for a lot of respiratory infections there are bacteria that are not defeated by baytril so it's not always successful. Since she has gotten worse that's why the other drugs were recommended because clearly baytril is not covering all of the bacteria involved. A culture would be the only way to determine what is actually growing in there, but she's a it small for that unfortunately. With combination drugs you have increased coverage of spectrum for different bacteria and they have different mechanisms for action to defeat the bacteria differently.
The meloxicam is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory for the prolapse to help decrease inflammation, swelling and pain. It has the potential to be hard on the kidneys as well.
Metronidazole is an antibiotic with a different spectrum than baytril so may get the bacteria that the baytril hasn't gotten. It doesn't have a detrimental effect on the kidneys.
Trimethoprim is also an antibiotic with a little different spectrum than baytril. You should increase hydration with this one like you do in baytril because it has the potential to be hard on the kidneys, but more commonly on the liver. I'll need to look for reptile specific info to make sure it's consistent across all species. Edit: I can't find anything specifically on this med causing concern for the kidneys and it is used fairly often. So I wouldn't be as worried about this one.
While baytril is a good go-to drug for a lot of respiratory infections there are bacteria that are not defeated by baytril so it's not always successful. Since she has gotten worse that's why the other drugs were recommended because clearly baytril is not covering all of the bacteria involved. A culture would be the only way to determine what is actually growing in there, but she's a it small for that unfortunately. With combination drugs you have increased coverage of spectrum for different bacteria and they have different mechanisms for action to defeat the bacteria differently.
The meloxicam is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory for the prolapse to help decrease inflammation, swelling and pain. It has the potential to be hard on the kidneys as well.
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