Problem with Rep-Cal Herptiviet??

[Matt1851]

Geez im full of questions this week haha. Ok so i dont know if any of you remember my posts about charlie bleeding. I have been thinking very hard as to why he could bebleeding and now that i think of it the last time i gave him the herptivite he bled. I havent givin him any this month yet and he hasnt bled at all after his vet visits. Im kinda worried as to if i should give it to him again to test if this is the cause. The expiration date is October 2011 so iv ruled out that option. Could he somehow be alergic to it? And if i give it to him again and he bleeds what should I do?

 

[jannb]

Did you ever take Charlie to the vet? I'm not a vet but I wouldn't think the Herptivite would be causing it.

 

[Matt1851]

Did you ever take Charlie to the vet? I'm not a vet but I wouldn't think the Herptivite would be causing it.

i did. he examined him, told me there was no blockage and inside his vent feels normal, no swelling or anything. could of been something he ate. i sent a fecal test in and came out negative so thats what puzzles me. Like i said he has been perfectally fine ever since the visit but i have not given him and herptivite. :\

 

[VeiledOwner87]

Geez im full of questions this week haha. Ok so i dont know if any of you remember my posts about charlie bleeding. I have been thinking very hard as to why he could bebleeding and now that i think of it the last time i gave him the herptivite he bled. I havent givin him any this month yet and he hasnt bled at all after his vet visits. Im kinda worried as to if i should give it to him again to test if this is the cause. The expiration date is October 2011 so iv ruled out that option. Could he somehow be alergic to it? And if i give it to him again and he bleeds what should I do?

rep-cal is a trusted brand by countless keepers of all types of reptiles, i agree when i think herptivite wouldn't be the problem. however, did you maybe overdose by accident? or over suppliment? and did you mix it 1.1 with calcium or calcium D3? what was the feeder you dusted and was he plenty hydrated while you gave it to him?

yes, there is a wide possibility that he could be allergic to certain vitamin suppliments in the mix, but this would be the case with all multivatamins. rep-cal (imo) balances out a good mix of everything a reptile needs, while some other companies may use all of the same ingredients, but more or less of course.

this is an odd case, so in the mean time, i would research sandras blogs, and stay on top of gutloading as much and as best you can to (in your discression) eliminate vitamin supplimentation all together.

i dont want to say "try the herptivite again", i dont want to give you any harmful advice what so ever, but if the vets cant soon find out what it is, maybe a small test would be the only way to tell. it's your choice and your descression.

if you give him multi-vitamins again and this happens, stop it all together.

i hope this helps and he gets better , cheers

 

[Matt1851]

rep-cal is a trusted brand by countless keepers of all types of reptiles, i agree when i think herptivite wouldn't be the problem. however, did you maybe overdose by accident? or over suppliment? and did you mix it 1.1 with calcium or calcium D3? what was the feeder you dusted and was he plenty hydrated while you gave it to him?

yes, there is a wide possibility that he could be allergic to certain vitamin suppliments in the mix, but this would be the case with all multivatamins. rep-cal (imo) balances out a good mix of everything a reptile needs, while some other companies may use all of the same ingredients, but more or less of course.

this is an odd case, so in the mean time, i would research sandras blogs, and stay on top of gutloading as much and as best you can to (in your discression) eliminate vitamin supplimentation all together.

i dont want to say "try the herptivite again", i dont want to give you any harmful advice what so ever, but if the vets cant soon find out what it is, maybe a small test would be the only way to tell. it's your choice and your descression.

if you give him multi-vitamins again and this happens, stop it all together.

i hope this helps and he gets better , cheers

well one day i dusted his crickets as usual (always make sure not to over suppliment) i give them to him in his cup. He eats them and about a day later i noticed he was bleeding from the vent (this was about a month and a half ago) so i panic and at the time i didnt really have money for the vet so i decided to wait it out or wait till i finally aquired the money. It wasnt constant bleeding but about a week later he was completly fine. no blood or anything. so arounnd the end of the month i gave him his herptivite again and the same thing happend. Now im worried. So i took him to the vet and as i stated in the previous post he was fine. To this day i have not giving him anymore and i have not spotted any blood what so ever. Now im not saying i dont trust rep-cal as their products are wonderful and clearly keep all our chams healthy and alive but my problem is im nto sure if this is the cause of the bleeding. But its my number 1 suspect for the cause at the moment. I think im going to dust his crickets next feeding and ill be sure to let you guys know how it goes.

 

[kinyonga]

One fecal does not prove that the chameleon doesn't have a parasite...if the parasite isn't shedding eggs the test will be clear.

 

[Matt1851]

One fecal does not prove that the chameleon doesn't have a parasite...if the parasite isn't shedding eggs the test will be clear.

well i gave in 6 different peices of fecal matter would that not be enough?

 

[VeiledOwner87]

one fecal test is what kinyonga needs. sometimes you could get poop tested while parasite eggs have not hatched, been laid, etc. usually, a month apart is a when you should get the second one done

 

[Matt1851]

hmm well i didnt get 6 peices at once and give them in, what i did was i was given a little bottle with a liquid and i collected about 1 or 2 poops per week and brought them in about a 2 - 3ish weeks later

 

[Elizadolots]

Any supplement can have a bad batch and any individual animal can be reactive to an ingredient. Sadly, the only way to verify that would be to run the experiment. I understand why you are reluctant to do that.

I think the suggestion to run another fecal makes sense. However, if it were me, and I had this suspicion, I would do the second fecal but I would not continue to use the supplement. I would talk to my vet and work out a way to get that nutritional benefit for my animal some other way.

 

[Matt1851]

Any supplement can have a bad batch and any individual animal can be reactive to an ingredient. Sadly, the only way to verify that would be to run the experiment. I understand why you are reluctant to do that.

I think the suggestion to run another fecal makes sense. However, if it were me, and I had this suspicion, I would do the second fecal but I would not continue to use the supplement. I would talk to my vet and work out a way to get that nutritional benefit for my animal some other way.

hmm, i think im going to do the second fecal. Also id really like to know if i just got "a bad batch" or if its all the same :\

 

[sandrachameleon]

Get a fecal test done on FRESH poop. No more than a few hours old, for best results.
I use the same vitamin supplement brand, have done for more than a decade, no problems

 

[Matt1851]

Get a fecal test done on FRESH poop. No more than a few hours old, for best results.
I use the same vitamin supplement brand, have done for more than a decade, no problems

ya thats what im planning, im going to call my vet and bring a poop in right away. Still im thinking tho i had samples that were still moist and fresh no more than 5 min old that i put in the vile and sent in. But it would be better to get a second test anyways

 

[jannb]

Get a fecal test done on FRESH poop. No more than a few hours old, for best results.
I use the same vitamin supplement brand, have done for more than a decade, no problems

I've always used the same brands also and so does my daughter and we've never had a problem.

 

[Matt1851]

I've always used the same brands also and so does my daughter and we've never had a problem.

well like i said im not saying that the herptivite is the reason he was bleeding, but what i am saying is that he has been fine ever since he stopped bleeding a month ago after his vet visit and thats the last time i gave him the powder. Im goin gto dust his crickets with the herptivite my girlfriend has and see if he still bleeds and if not i think i might just buy another batch (Along with getting another fecal done)

 

[Carlton]

Just an odd thought...did you notice that he had passed a particulately large fecal mass with more crix legs or chitin when you noticed the bleeding? When chams get a little dehydrated or eat higher chitin foods (a large portion of superworms or large crix for example) it can create a harder rougher mass that could irritiate the lining of the cloaca as when it passed. I have a hard time thinking the dust caused this. You could try an experiment...give him some dust on a soft bodied feeder meal and check for blood. Maybe he has a little blood vessel in the cloaca that is easily irritated (the cham version of a hemorhoid).

 

[Matt1851]

Just an odd thought...did you notice that he had passed a particulately large fecal mass with more crix legs or chitin when you noticed the bleeding? When chams get a little dehydrated or eat higher chitin foods (a large portion of superworms or large crix for example) it can create a harder rougher mass that could irritiate the lining of the cloaca as when it passed. I have a hard time thinking the dust caused this. You could try an experiment...give him some dust on a soft bodied feeder meal and check for blood. Maybe he has a little blood vessel in the cloaca that is easily irritated (the cham version of a hemorhoid).

i didnt see any in the poops, they looked normal. the blood usually came after he would poop and i would clean his vent with a moist q tip and he would be fine for a little.

 

[Elizadolots]

You can always run the experiment. Buy a new jar and try it out. As you know what the potential problem is you shouldn't be shocked or frightened by it if it happens again. You would know what it is and know what to do.

 

[Matt1851]

You can always run the experiment. Buy a new jar and try it out. As you know what the potential problem is you shouldn't be shocked or frightened by it if it happens again. You would know what it is and know what to do.

well what i did today is i mixed calcium without d3 and herptivite and im gunna see how he is this week

 

[Elizadolots]

Sounds like a good plan.

I have a huge suspicion of "it's safe, loads of people use it" advice. If you don't feel comfortable giving it to your animal then don't. While something might be wonderful for 98% of the chameleon population, you just might have a chameleon from the 2% it's utterly bad for.