problem with new chameleons...

[caninus]

Hello, first off I'm new here and this is my first post so be gentle
This last week I've had some chameleon trouble - or chameleon breeder trouble, I'm not sure...
Anyway both me and my brother bought some chameleons at a fair from this guy and have since had some problems - one of his two brevicaudatus didn't look very good and ofcourse didnt even survive the day.
I also bought 1.2 brevicaudatus, male pretty fat and looking healthy while the two females looked skinnier.
3 days later first female died and 4 days after that (7 days since I brought them home) the second female died.
I also bought 1.1 hoehnelii from him and they both looked okay except for the female showing small signs of lack of vitamins on its tail and one if its feet. She did eat and looked good the first few days but looked very tired and not interested in food the last day
And now she died 8 days after I came home with them.
This guy I bought them from is a special guy and I've met him and we've spoken many times before.
even so he told me on the spot that my 1.1 b. Acuminatus and 1.1 b. Viridis wasnt in good enough condition "for me" when he recognised me and saw I was the one who had booked and paid them... thats why I got the hoehnelii instead*
He ofcourse wants to blaim my huspandry for the deaths of these chameleons while I dont agree my huspandry is bad at all.
You probably need more info on cage etc to determine if the huspandry is at fault but I am not even sure if 1/3/7/8 days is enough to even kill chameleons due to bad huspandry?
especially when they have been feeding.
best regards

 

[caninus]

I also got pictures of the dead ones if it could help in anyway to determime anything - but didnt see it fit to post them here so send me a pm if you'd like to take a look

 

[jannb]

Welcome to the forums. This is a great place to learn about chameleons and meet other chameleon keepers. I am so sorry to hear about your chameleons. You bought some tough species for a beginner and being wild caught, which they probably all were, makes it even harder. They normally come in with parasites and often the females are pregnate. If you could fill out this form it would be very helpful and post pictures. https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/

This is a basic chameleon info link that should help. https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/chameleons/

Again I am sorry for all of your loses.

 

[caninus]

They are all captive bred and documented with picturew etc along the way.
And I'm not a beginner just new to these forums :3

 

[jannb]

They are all captive bred and documented with picturew etc along the way.
And I'm not a beginner just new to these forums :3

I apologize. Since most of the species you mentioned are usually WC and there's been quite a few of these species imported this year I just assumed you had got a few of these imports.

Still welcome to the forums and if you fill out the forums we do have members here that keep those species and I'll make sure that one of these members sees you thread.

 

[caninus]

Yeah I understand that, and I know about the amount wc going around with the species that's why I was so keen on getting cb ones, wc animals are also illegal in mu country.
I will do that once I get home from work, thank you

 

[Carlton]

Yeah I understand that, and I know about the amount wc going around with the species that's why I was so keen on getting cb ones, wc animals are also illegal in mu country.
I will do that once I get home from work, thank you

Its going to be difficult to determine much from photos of your dead chams. They lose so much body condition and coloration very quickly. However, a necropsy by a reptile vet will give you the most information...show obvious things like systemic infections, organ failure, dehydration, reproductive problems, and tissue analysis may tell you about deficiencies that were not visually obvious. What would concern me is the fact that you lost so many chams from the same source so quickly...including different species, and also that your vendor said the species you originally wanted were also not in great condition. I find it hard to believe that so many cbb animals would have that high a mortality rate over so short a time. But, you know him better than we do.