Probably Gravid Veiled

EnigmaticReader

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Chameleon:
Temeraire is about 9 months old, female, Veiled Chameleon we have been caring for since June.
We handle her about once a month, mainly to check that she's got a good grip, etc.
She is fed superworms, adult crickets, and some mealworms; she eats between 3 and 8 insects a day, the insects are gut-loaded with high-calcium cricket food as well as fruits and vegetables.
Her food is dusted with a calcium and D3 supplement once or twice a week.
For water we mist her four to six times a day for about forty-five seconds each, but we never see her drinking. Sometimes we mist her food before she eats it as well.
Her feces are large, white at one end and brown at the other. She hasn't been tested for parasites.
She's never been exposed to a male.

Cage:
Cage is a medium size ReptiBreeze, all mesh.
She has a UVB light on top of the cage, which is on from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM every day, excepting when we let her sit in natural sunlight.
The temperature is fairly even at around 74 degrees Fahrenheit, warmer on the top than the bottom. I can't say for certain about nighttime temps.
Humidity is between 70 and 85%, kept constant with misting. We have a cheap humidistat.
The cage contains a potted basil plant and sticks from an orange tree, as well as some fake orchids.
The cage is on a porch, next to an insulated window that can be opened. The top of the cage is about 5 feet off the floor. Although we do spend time out there regularly, she doesn't seem to mind unless we start talking.
We live in Florida.

Current Problem:
Temeraire is covered in spots and has recently darkened in color. Her abdomen seems swollen and she's been pacing like crazy on the floor, as well as spending more time climbing the walls of the cage. Her appetite has gone down a lot but hasn't disappeared completely. We've provided a laying box but she doesn't seem interested in it. We've suspected for about two weeks that she might be gravid, and she looks like she might be getting lumpy. Should we take her to the vet or just stay calm? It worries me that she won't go in the laying box.
 
Please Help!

Well, she's in the box now... And she's eating all the sand. Not tunneling or anything, just sitting there having mouthful after mouthful of sand. What the heck is going on?! Should I take her out so she doesn't get sick or wil she get egg-bound if I do that?
 
It's a bit of a dilemma that you have...if she has no where to lay the eggs she could become eggbound but you don't know if eating the sand will lead to an impactions. Usually when they are eating substrate its thought that they are missing something in their diet. IMHO you should be dusting the insects at every feeding with a phos - free. calcium powder and only using the calcium /D3 twice a month. She might be looking for more calcium.
 
:D Hello, sorry your girl is making you worry. I'm no expert but, she should be able to pass sand. Usually you worry about them eating stuff that will get block I think. Sand should pass. Is she still eating it? Are you giving her privacy. Covering up the bottom half of the enclosure and, not letting her see you? Hope she lays for you soon. I know this is very hard on the owner almost as much as the cham.
 
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Here are some pictures of Temeraire. You can see a lump just above her right back leg that I think is an egg. Right now she just woke up so she's wearing her "the world is good" colors but you can still sort of see the spots near her spine. If anyone has any advice I'd really appreciate it!
 

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She does look plump.

I would suggest removing the sand, and trying dirt instead. maybe she wont eat it.

also, once egg development begins, it can take 3-6 weeks forthem to lay, and it can take several days for them to lay once they start.

my female started digging 34 days after being bred, and laid 38 eggs on the 37th day.
 
She does look like she might have eggs. An xray is the only way to tell for sure. As camimom said try dirt. Be sure to get dirt without any fertilizers so if she eats any it want hurt her. You might also try hanging some greens such as kale, collard or turnip greens around in her cage so she'll have something to munch on. Do you feed her fruits and veggies? Veileds love fruits and veggies especially the females. :)
 
She's in the box again, eating more sand :( I know for sure that she will eat dirt if she can get it so I'm pretty sure that won't improve things. She's so round now that I don't feel comfortable taking her out of the laying box. I'd like to take her to the vet to be on the safe side but my Dad says I'm overreacting.
 
When she goes in the box give her complete privacy incase she has to lay. She may be eating sand and dirt because her body is missing needed vitamins and minerals. Try giving her some greens and other fresh fruits and veggies. I cut the fruits into tiny slivers for them. Any fruits and veggies that's safe to gut load with is safe for her to eat.
 
Females of many different egg-laying species will eat or taste the dirt/sand before they lay their eggs to determine whether it is adequate. They're checking things like water content, perhaps acidity, etc., things that could mean that a specific place will keep her eggs protected and healthy until they hatch. So it is possible that she is trying to decide how much she likes the sand in her laying bin. Well hydrated animals will usually not have impaction issues, so just make sure that she has water available at all times.

However, it can also be her seeking out minerals that she's missing. Definitely dust everything she will eat with plain calcium and gut load extra diligently.

Also, if you think that she is really ready but will not use her laying bin, you can take a kitchen trash can, fill it with the 12" of sand or dirt, stick a short branch in the sand just so she has a little perch, and abandon her in there will no way out. Sometimes just providing a little container in their cage doesn't convince the female that the bin really is the ground, and will keep searching for actual ground to dig in. Or they are very picky and just want to keep searching, but there's no way we can provide 6 different containers all with different ratios of soils to sands and moisture, so you just need to tell them this is it (tough love!). If she's messing around at her bin perhaps this is the time to try something like this.
 
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