Please share experiences with MBD!!

Coley

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Jose is my first chameleon. My brother bought him for me sometime around the end of September 2011. He is about 6 months old now. I THOUGHT I was taking care of him, however, when I got home from work yesterday I found out I was not that great of a petowner because I found him at the bottom of his cage (tail sticking straight out behind him) almost all pale green except for a penny-sized (at least penny-sized, maybe larger) splotch on either side of his ribcage which looked like it normally did (green with the normal spotted/stripped markings... idk how to technically describe it...). I took some photos (first 2 pics attached). I researched online but couldn't put a finger on exactly what was wrong with him. He could hardly hold himself up on the plants and would slowly end up with his face at the bottom of the cage. I thought he was a goner, and actually thought I had lost him by the time I left for work the next morning because when I looked at him in the morning I couldn't tell that he was breathing. However, I spoke with my brother (who checked on him) later in the day and he said Jose had climbed up on the plant (fake) that I have in his cage and he thought that Jose was doing better than yesterday. When I got home from work today, Jose was indeed alive, but still didn't look so well. I did some researching and concluded that he had severe MBD (Metabolic Bone Disease). I hadn't supplemented his crickets/meal worms/wax worms w/ calcium :( I honestly didn't think that he would make it much longer. I found a vet to take him to, who confirmed that yes, he did have MBD. To my surprise, the vet-tech told me that he looked alright and that we could still do something about it. He gave Jose a calcium injection and informed me about proper veiled chameleon care (including a different cage, his current one is glass w/ a wire top, calcium supplements and what not).
It hasn't been more than 3 hours since I have been back from the vet. Jose is seemingly doing better. He has been more active than he was, doesn't seem so lethargic. His color isn't so splotchy, although it's not quite back to the brilliant green colors that a chameleon should be. I know he is still stressed from everything and that I have to give him some time to get better. I have been monitoring the temp and humidity of his cage closely and have misted adequately and put some wax worms (drenched in calcium powder.. per the vets order) in his food dish so he can eat when he is able to.
My whole issue here is that in my research I found so many stories about chameleons w/ MBD whose owners had taken them to the vet (and followed the recommendations), but still ended up not making it :( . I am trying to stay positive and am just curious if anyone else has gone through this and has had a happy ending? I feel terrible for being such a crappy chameleon owner and am trying my hardest to make up for it!!
Please share your experience/advice :confused:!! I am so scared for Jose!
 

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This is what he is looking like now... he was darker (like a brownish color) for awhile, he has lightened up now... seems to be doing well but I don't know?! Like I said, we haven't been home from the vet for long.... He is definitely moving around more, seems more attentive and active, but I am still worried.
 

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How did the vet determine that it is MBD?
When a chameleon has MBD its necessary to bring things back in balance and then to make sure that the husbandry is correct in order to keep it from happening again.

Here's some information I hope will help you ....
Appropriate cage temperatures aid in digestion and thus play a part indirectly in nutrient absorption.

Exposure to UVB from either direct sunlight or a proper UVB light allows the chameleon to produce D3 so that it can use the calcium in its system to make/keep the bones strong and be used in other systems in the chameleon as well. The UVB should not pass through glass or plastic no matter whether its from the sun or the UVB light. The most often recommended UVB light is the long linear fluorescent Repti-sun 5.0 tube light. Some of the compacts, spirals and tube lights have caused health issues, but so far there have been no bad reports against this one.

A wide variety of insects that have been well fed and gutloaded should be fed to it.

Since many of the feeder insects we use in captivity have a poor ratio of calcium to phosphorus in them, its important to dust the insects just before you feed them to the chameleon at most feedings with a phos.-free calcium powder to help make up for it. (I use Rep-cal phosphorus-free calcium).

If you also dust twice a month with a phos.-free calcium/D3 powder it will ensure that your chameleon gets some D3 without overdoing it. It leaves the chameleon to produce the rest of what it needs through its exposure to the UVB light. D3 from supplements can build up in the system but D3 produced from exposure to UVB shouldn't as long as the chameleon can move in and out of it. (I use Rep-cal phos.-free calcium/D3).

Dusting twice a month as well with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene (prOformed) source of vitamin A will ensure that the chameleon gets some vitamins without the danger of overdosing the vitamin A. PrEformed sources of vitamin A can build up in the system and may prevent the D3 from doing its job and push the chameleon towards MBD. However, there is controversy as to whether all/any chameleons can convert the beta carotene and so some people give some prEformed vitamin A once in a while. (I use herptivite which has beta carotene.)

Gutloading/feeding the insects well helps to provide what the chameleon needs. I gutload crickets, roaches, locusts, superworms, etc. with an assortment of greens (dandelions, kale, collards, endive, escarole, mustard greens, etc.) and veggies (carrots, squash, sweet potato, sweet red pepper, zucchini, etc.)

Calcium, phos., D3 and vitamin A are important players in bone health and other systems in the chameleon (muscles, etc.) and they need to be in balance. When trying to balance them, you need to look at the supplements, what you feed the insects and what you feed the chameleon.
Please note that various supplements have various amounts of D3 and vitamin A and so some can be given more often than others. The idea still is not to overdo the fat soluble vitamins like D3 and prEformed vitamin A.

Here are some good sites for you to read too...
http://chameleonnews.com/07FebWheelock.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200605020...Vitamin.A.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200406080...d.Calcium.html
http://www.uvguide.co.uk/
http://web.archive.org/web/200601140...ww.adcham.com/
If you can't access the sites above that have the word "archive" in you can do it through the WayBackMachine.
 
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