please help to indentify my panther

[jotoeng]

Hi..im new on having chammy...I just have my first chammeleon for 1 week...so still need to find more I formation about it. Please tell me what kind of my chameleon. I've read that there's so many sub species like ambanja, ambiloves, sambavas, etc... what is their difference? How to tell the difference by loom?


Thanks

 

[juice28]

Hi..im new on having chammy...I just have my first chammeleon for 1 week...so still need to find more I formation about it. Please tell me what kind of my chameleon. I've read that there's so many sub species like ambanja, ambiloves, sambavas, etc... what is their difference? How to tell the difference by loom?
Thanks

correct me if im wrong PRO's

if you have a"panther" they are all the same species. just vary in color from one location to another. thats why you can "cross" two panther locales because they are all the same thing..

check out http://www.cleanlinechameleons.com/panther-chameleons/ they have a map with locales on it and a description of the common color and pattern traits they have. it helps me alot

 

[sandrachameleon]

Hi..im new on having chammy...I just have my first chammeleon for 1 week...so still need to find more I formation about it. Please tell me what kind of my chameleon. I've read that there's so many sub species like ambanja, ambiloves, sambavas, etc... what is their difference? How to tell the difference by loom?


Thanks

welcome to the forum and to chameleon keeping. If you've not already done so, I do recommend reading the care sheet posted on this forum.

Unless you bought from a reputable breeder, there is no sure way to know what type (local) of panther you have. All panthers are the same species, but the different locations of origin have different colours. They interbreed/cross easily, and there are many many cross-local chams out there - you often cannot tell by looking if you have a "pure" local or cross. And it doesn't matter in terms of care anyways. all panthers need the same type of care.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Hi..im new on having chammy...I just have my first chammeleon for 1 week...so still need to find more I formation about it. Please tell me what kind of my chameleon. I've read that there's so many sub species like ambanja, ambiloves, sambavas, etc... what is their difference? How to tell the difference by loom?


Thanks

It would be nice if your pictures were larger once clicked on. However, you have an "Ambilove" male. LOL ... Its "Ambilobe". Yours would also be rated as a "blue bar Ambilobe", as opposed to the red bar variants.

 

[laurie]

Am I the only one who thinks that cham is skinny and dehydrated both?

 

[Chameleon Company]

Am I the only one who thinks that cham is skinny and dehydrated both?

It is why I asked for a larger picture. However, going by what can be seen, I think that it is potentially worse. My first instinct was that the chameleon was what we call a "squatty-body". Does it not appear that the head is a bit too compacted on the neck, as were it a human, the head is on the shoulders, with a very short neck at best ?

Not sure because the image is small, but this phenomenon occurs often with in-breeding. Brother to sister usually.

 

[pssh]

It is why I asked for a larger picture. However, going by what can be seen, I think that it is potentially worse. My first instinct was that the chameleon was what we call a "squatty-body". Does it not appear that the head is a bit too compacted on the neck, as were it a human, the head is on the shoulders, with a very short neck at best ?

Not sure because the image is small, but this phenomenon occurs often with in-breeding. Brother to sister usually.

It does look like that a bit. Could be the pictures though. I didn't know that happened with inbreeding. Learn something new every day!

Yes, your panther looks to be an ambilobe, and possibly in quite poor condition. Better pictures would help us be sure though.

 

[Chameleon Company]

It does look like that a bit. Could be the pictures though. I didn't know that happened with inbreeding. Learn something new every day!

Yes, your panther looks to be an ambilobe, and possibly in quite poor condition. Better pictures would help us be sure though.

Since I brought it up, let me add. It is a genetic phenomenon that manifests itself overwhelmingly more with the males than the females. Not uncommon for half the males in an inbred clutch to be squatty, while maybe only 10% of the females will appear such.

 

[laurie]

I think we are all correct, I am sure this cham has problems. I just stated the easy ones. Getting a better look at him, might let us help/inform the owner a bit better. We really need a good larger picture.

 

[pssh]

Since I brought it up, let me add. It is a genetic phenomenon that manifests itself overwhelmingly more with the males than the females. Not uncommon for half the males in an inbred clutch to be squatty, while maybe only 10% of the females will appear such.

I wonder why that is? Do you have any theories?