Please help he's gotten worse.

[AshleyClark007]

Someone PLEASE help me. I am so worried and I don't know what to do or what is going on. He has been like this for a while now I have posted other things. But yesterday he started to drink water FINALLY but now today he was sitting at the low branches and wouldn't move an I took him out to try to get him to eat but then I seen this...... I am posting pics.

 

[AshleyClark007]

More pics of him. I hope the pics are clear..

 

[AngieL]

Oh my! That looks like a nasty eye infection! I haven't read your other posts but I would get that little babe to the vets ASAP. I don't think there anything you can do to help that on your own

 

[Solid Snake]

Please provide this information:


Chameleon Info:

• Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
• Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
• Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
• Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
• Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
• Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
• History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
• Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
• Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
• Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
• Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
• Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
• Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.

If you have not done so already, I would recommend a long, warm (not hot, not cold, warm) shower for him. 15-20min or so, as well as making an appointment with a reptile veterinarian.

 

[mcleodschams]

Vet vet vet is the best thing for the little guy no question best of luck with him

 

[Carlton]

I agree. An experienced herp vet is needed NOW! He's completely dehydrated, so even if he drank for you once, it won't be enough to make up for the time he wasn't drinking or eating. That eye needs a close examination that you can't really do yourself, and he will probably need systemic antibiotics.

Poor little guy!

 

[PantherEnvy]

That is a gnarly eye infection. Let us know what the vet says...

 

[ISA my Veiled]

Please provide this information:


Chameleon Info:

• Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
• Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
• Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
• Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
• Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
• Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
• History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.

Cage Info:

• Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
• Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
• Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
• Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
• Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
• Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
• Location - Where are you geographically located?

Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.

If you have not done so already, I would recommend a long, warm (not hot, not cold, warm) shower for him. 15-20min or so, as well as making an appointment with a reptile veterinarian.

How about instead of wasting her time with this she goes to the vet and get the correct care! No offence but she is way past the point of home remedies

 

[Trillian]

The help form looks like a pain to fill out, and YES she should get to a vet, like, yesterday, to get his eye infection treated, but the help form is vital to figure out what the underlying problem is being caused by.

People diss the form but it is VITAL information and the quickest way to help keepers improve things for their chameleons.

 

[ISA my Veiled]

The help form looks like a pain to fill out, and YES she should get to a vet, like, yesterday, to get his eye infection treated, but the help form is vital to figure out what the underlying problem is being caused by.

People diss the form but it is VITAL information and the quickest way to help keepers improve things for their chameleons.

I'm not dissing the help form at all, I agree with using it but with this situation people should be escorting her to the vet to help the chameleon with how serious his eye looks. I mean no disrespect but it's like no one has a sense of ergency and that bothers me. I'm not sure how many people are vets in here but maybe the help for should be for less serious things.

 

[ataraxia]

The animal will need to see a vet for the sinus infection AND we still need the health form filled out so we can address issues im sure are present. The other eye being closed is more than likely not related to the sinus infection from my experience but probably from dehydration, lack/improper nutrition, possible other illness, lighting, fan being blown on cage constantly etc.

1. Vet visit
2. Fill the form out

Something to help your boy out till the visit. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/ataraxia/594-shower-chamber-treatment.html

 

[Elizadolots]

I agree, that looks like a sinus infection and that definitely needs to be taken to the vet. However, there are good reasons to fill out the form in between making the vet appointment and actually seeing the vet. For one, bringing that information to the vet can help make sure the vet gets information the owner might forget to impart. A good vet with reptile experience will want to know the brand of the bulb, the temps...all sorts of stuff that "the form" will provide. For another, it's possible that people on the board can offer suggestions which the owner can bring to the vet for a professional opinion. Finally, there might be something very obvious that could be fixed quickly to help get the animal back on the right track sooner rather than later.

There are probably other reasons, but those are the ones that jump to mind.

 

[ISA my Veiled]

Sorry guys if I sounded like I do not support the form, my point is that she dragged it out way to long it looks Like, now that I read Eliza's reasons I agree that it could help in the case she can't get to the ve right away and just to aid. Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way just trying to put some emphasis on getting to the vet that is all good luck with the litte guy I hope he gets better

 

[AshleyClark007]

Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? Veiled Chameleon, Male, 3-4Months, Not even a week.
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Not much at all.
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? I tried feeding crickets but wont eat so I'm trying wax-worms.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? Repti-cal without D3 and vitamin dust.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I mist and use a drippier. Not after yesterday.
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? Not sure.
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. Not that I know of.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen, 20"Tall 18"Long 12"wide.
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? Zoo-Med, Basking and UVB., All of his light's come on at about 8am and get shut off at about 8pm
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Basking spot is between 80-95f, Floor temps are between 70-80f, I have temp gauges.
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? About/between 50-70%, I have a hydrometer.
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? No fake for now.
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? No not around any of that. The cage is really high up.
Location - Where are you geographically located? Central USA "IL".


Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about. He won't eat, drink, eye problems and looks sick.

I have been trying to get a hold of a vet for a day in a half now. I never had to take a rep to a vet before so I wasn't sure what to do. There is only one rep vet in my area but they don't reopen until Monday. The voice mail says to call the animal hospital. Should I call them? I would like to say thank you for all of your help. I am trying to do the best I can. I never been in a situation like this before. I also see some comments that made me feel like crap but I just want to let them people no that I am trying and I do care. He is MY baby and I care for him just as much as you love yours. I thought this form was to help people in need like my situation, but again to everyone Thank you so much for helping me and giving me all the advise and help. I will keep you up to date. Thank you..

 

[Elizadolots]

Those are some pretty wide ranges in temperature.....I strongly suspect that your temperatures overall are a bit too high. This is still a baby and that is not a really tall cage (it's a fine cage height, I'm not saying that it's not) I think you should try for 83 to 85 degrees at the top, room temperature at the bottom (hopefully that's in the low to mid 70s).

If he were in a 3 foot tall cage, a basking temp of 90ish would be okay because he could leave, he could go a few inches lower to be cooler or just go down to the bottom to be really cool... That's why I said it's not a tall cage.

While you're waiting to get to the vet, can you pull the fake plants out and put live plants in? I am the biggest fan in the world of Pothos plants....you can pin the vines around the cage and they will grow into a wonderful, wild home for your baby. I'm suggesting that because that really does look like every picture I've seen of a sinus infection (the sinus swells and pushes the eye up against the lid) and in my experience (as a human with bad sinuses) allergens contribute to sinus infections. It's easy to imagine that the fake plants are made of things your chameleon might be allergic to....getting some natural plants in there might make him feel better (he'll still need the vet! Some relief is not a cure).

ISA, I've had my own issues with "the form", I've called it "the dreaded form"....don't feel bad. I have learned a few things over the years. One is that until the form is filled out, that can become a focus of the thread, so it's best to just get the thing filled out. The other is that it really does organize a lot of information that is valuable. It always leaves questions, but the questions get more specific and easier to answer once the form has been completed. It's imperfect, but what isn't? It is, however, extremely valuable.

Also--and this is just to everyone--the idea of bringing your information written down to any doctor is just really smart. Whenever I take my father to the doctor I have an index card with all the concerns and important facts written down. It's easy to get derailed at the doctor's office and a LIST can help make sure you don't forget something important. It's a trick I learned from a friend and it has served me very well.

 

[AshleyClark007]

Okay. I gave both male and female Chams a shower. When I gave the male a shower I am not to sure if he drank anything or not. He wasn't using his tough he kept opening his mouth as if he was catching the water. He wasn't angry or anything cause he was bright green. Also I took out all fake plants out of both cages and I am getting real plants today. I also FINALLY found a vet "Thank god". It is at 2:30 today. I will post how it went first thing when I get home. I would like to say thank you so much to everyone for helping me and caring for my baby Chameleons. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

 

[AlecWade]

Hi Ashley,

I saw that you wrote that you got your chameleon from a reptile expo outside of Chicago? Did that expo happen to be Scott Smith's All Animal Expo? If it was I'm guessing you purchased your veiled from Cindy of Beaded and Veiled Reptiles. My current and previous animals were both from her and I have much respect for her as a breeder and person! If you indeed did get your veileds from her as I suspect then you should contact her with any questions you ask her or are unable to answer here! She is very helpful and is more then willing to give advice or assistance. Let me know

 

[AshleyClark007]

I do believe I got it from her. It was at Scott's Expo. She had Veiled Chameleons and Bearded Dragons. She was a very nice lady an so was her son. The Chams seemed healthy when I first got them but the next day everything went down hill out of nowhere. I was wanting to get a hold of her but I never got a card or anything so I didn't know how.

 

[AlecWade]

I'm sorry to hear about your little one's health I hope they recover! I pmed you her contact info she is often very busy with her animals but she will help you as best she can. They will however still require a vet! Keep us posted here!

 

[AshleyClark007]

Sorry it has taken me so long to up date. Well We went to the vet and she said that their isn't much they can do because of the age. but she did give both babies shot that had water and vitamins in it. And to be honest I don't think it helped AT ALL. They seem to be worse to me. The baby girl, her eyes are even more sunken in and saggy. The baby boy, He's not moving at all. She said I may need to force feed him how am I supposed to do that? I tried last night and he didn't even try to get away. but I couldn't get his mouth open. She also told me that she doesn't think the male has an eye infection so she didn't want to give him meds for it?! She was also telling me to up his heat and stuff but it's already 75-80f. It felt like this "vet" didn't have any clue to what she was doing. I just don't know what to do. I am about ready to see if someone on here "that knows what they are doing" would be willing to take him for awhile to help him recover. I am just so scared and worried. I am going to post new pics of them to see what you guys thank.