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Generally, German petstores seem to take good care of their animals, but today I saw something near on horrifying...

They have one large veiled chameleon priced at 169€ (No one will buy it) and I'm certain it's female. Not only because it has a smaller crest and no hindleg spurrs, but because it has a very large stomach. Although that's the only thing large about her... the rest is fairly thin and there's a huge "indent" between her tummy and tail. The form is just weird... She has a fairly big terrarium, but it was really dry, no equipment for measuing the humidity or temp and she just looked slightly dehydrated. There was a bowl of water (at least it looked fresh? Despite it not "allowed" to be in there), not much to climb on and she was almost black in colour. I wish I had the money, I would have bought her in a heartbeat, nourished her up some, and likely found her a good home. I wouldn't care if I was funding the store or whatever, the poor chameleon just looked so sadening :(

As if that wasn't bad enough, they had a similarily large terrarium with young chameleons and I almost cried. They were being sold for 29€, which is VERY affordable, and I wanted to buy them all... They were nothing but skin and bones, sunken eyes, and two of them came to the glass as if to say "save us!" :( I would have gotten a terrarium and bought each and every one of those 8 babies... but I can't afford it at the moment. Not to mention we've got our hands full and are going away on vacation for a few days soon and don't want to throw a bunch of sick chameleons at the petsitter.

The cages for all the animals there are big, quite roomy compared to what I've seen, but the conditions for the chameleons were horrible. It really makes me feel bad for these animals... I even went to try and talk to someone and they simply replied with: "The man who knows most about reptiles is on holidays this week, and we're doing what he told us. When he gets back, we will ask him about it and run it by him." I don't think the babies will last more than a couple of days tops, and the large female... well it really depends :( It's really upsetting to see these kinds of conditions.... Luckily I do have a good petstore nearby that only gets in young chameleons, keeps them apart, has a mister, and does everything perfectly (except the small cage size). They move them to bigger ones once they get bigger, and they do have a lot to climb on, so I am really happy with them! (I complimented them on their work, and they seemed pleased. They even turn over tortoises that have fallen on their back and can't get up after a certain amount of time!)
 
Oddly, petco and petsmart caresheets for jacksons and veileds/panthers aren't that bad. The supplement schedule isn't good, but the rest is okay. Next time, grab one of their chameleon care sheets and show it to the employees/buyers and just point out that the supplement part is wrong and that they need to mist or use both a dripper and misting (not just a dripper.)

It is odd that they have these okay care sheets, but dont even bother to read them to provide correct husbandry. I understand that they have to house them in small enclosures (which is fine if they are only housed there temporarily) but they often dont provide branches/vines, misting/drippers, etc.

www.petco.com/caresheets/lizards/Chameleon_Jacksons.pdf
 
I work at a petsmart (though not responsible directly for pet care) and will say that the manager of the department makes a huge difference on correct husbandry. The petcare manager at my last store housed a female jackson's in a closed room with a large screened enclosure featuring a fogger, regular misting, and plenty of foliage (albeit fake) to hide in. This wasn't part of the by-the-book care, but experience and concern of the manager and associates. So please, before you immediately bash large companies for potential sub-par care, realize that there are people within the company who do care greatly about the animals for sale, though sometimes are ignorant to exact requirements. The jackson's, Fiona, was eventually purchased by an associate...and I have one of her unexpected babies still going strong :)
 
Generally, German petstores seem to take good care of their animals, but today I saw something near on horrifying...

They have one large veiled chameleon priced at 169€ (No one will buy it) and I'm certain it's female. Not only because it has a smaller crest and no hindleg spurrs, but because it has a very large stomach. Although that's the only thing large about her... the rest is fairly thin and there's a huge "indent" between her tummy and tail. The form is just weird... She has a fairly big terrarium, but it was really dry, no equipment for measuing the humidity or temp and she just looked slightly dehydrated. There was a bowl of water (at least it looked fresh? Despite it not "allowed" to be in there), not much to climb on and she was almost black in colour. I wish I had the money, I would have bought her in a heartbeat, nourished her up some, and likely found her a good home. I wouldn't care if I was funding the store or whatever, the poor chameleon just looked so sadening :(

As if that wasn't bad enough, they had a similarily large terrarium with young chameleons and I almost cried. They were being sold for 29€, which is VERY affordable, and I wanted to buy them all... They were nothing but skin and bones, sunken eyes, and two of them came to the glass as if to say "save us!" :( I would have gotten a terrarium and bought each and every one of those 8 babies... but I can't afford it at the moment. Not to mention we've got our hands full and are going away on vacation for a few days soon and don't want to throw a bunch of sick chameleons at the petsitter.

The cages for all the animals there are big, quite roomy compared to what I've seen, but the conditions for the chameleons were horrible. It really makes me feel bad for these animals... I even went to try and talk to someone and they simply replied with: "The man who knows most about reptiles is on holidays this week, and we're doing what he told us. When he gets back, we will ask him about it and run it by him." I don't think the babies will last more than a couple of days tops, and the large female... well it really depends :( It's really upsetting to see these kinds of conditions.... Luckily I do have a good petstore nearby that only gets in young chameleons, keeps them apart, has a mister, and does everything perfectly (except the small cage size). They move them to bigger ones once they get bigger, and they do have a lot to climb on, so I am really happy with them! (I complimented them on their work, and they seemed pleased. They even turn over tortoises that have fallen on their back and can't get up after a certain amount of time!)

That is horrible! :( I don't like hearing stories like that :(

I'm glad the other store is good tho! It seems as if those are hard to come by!!
 
Oddly, petco and petsmart caresheets for jacksons and veileds/panthers aren't that bad. The supplement schedule isn't good, but the rest is okay. Next time, grab one of their chameleon care sheets and show it to the employees/buyers and just point out that the supplement part is wrong and that they need to mist or use both a dripper and misting (not just a dripper.)

It is odd that they have these okay care sheets, but dont even bother to read them to provide correct husbandry. I understand that they have to house them in small enclosures (which is fine if they are only housed there temporarily) but they often dont provide branches/vines, misting/drippers, etc.

www.petco.com/caresheets/lizards/Chameleon_Jacksons.pdf

That's what I don't get...the care sheets aren't bad but they don't follow them. Its aggravating
 
I work at a petsmart (though not responsible directly for pet care) and will say that the manager of the department makes a huge difference on correct husbandry. The petcare manager at my last store housed a female jackson's in a closed room with a large screened enclosure featuring a fogger, regular misting, and plenty of foliage (albeit fake) to hide in. This wasn't part of the by-the-book care, but experience and concern of the manager and associates. So please, before you immediately bash large companies for potential sub-par care, realize that there are people within the company who do care greatly about the animals for sale, though sometimes are ignorant to exact requirements. The jackson's, Fiona, was eventually purchased by an associate...and I have one of her unexpected babies still going strong :)

That is how my petsmart is.I'm glad that your associates care :)
 
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