Parsons Chameleon
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kenya
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Pam has some coming in soon. They are imports, not CB.
Parsons are expensive, large, long lived and difficult. Not much is known about their breeding habits, though it is possible to do in captivity if you have the time, patience and are prepared for a lot of reading and possible disappointment. I know there is a Parson's exclusive forum but you have to already have a Parson's to join.
Parsons are expensive, large, long lived and difficult. Not much is known about their breeding habits, though it is possible to do in captivity if you have the time, patience and are prepared for a lot of reading and possible disappointment. I know there is a Parson's exclusive forum but you have to already have a Parson's to join.
Nicodemayo
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A C.Parsonii isnt just an animal to buy if you can afford one. I can go on about c.parsonii but its not like just another cham to buy if you see one up for sale. They have different requirements than a veiled and melleri. They need cooler temps, and LOTS of water. There are a few people here in the Us working with some breeding groups but i wouldnt expect to see any U.S. cbb parsonii avaliable for quite some time.
KShook
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Yeah I've read a little bit on them, I saw that FLChams had some about 5 or 6 months back? They were asking $2,500..WOW! I think in about 3 or 4 years that'll be well worth it. I would need to be 100% confident on caring for one before I would get one. But there def. my fav species from what I've ready about them & look forward to getting one some day. I just wanted to know if there were any other people/breeders that had them other than FLChams?! I haven't seen anyone else that does?!
kenya
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Pam Reid of Pam's Chams does.
I was told that about a decade ago, Parson's were a dime a dozen and if panthers were ordered but not found, they would just send Parson's instead. People even got mad about it. :S
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
There are a number of us on the forum who work with this species and I think its safe to say we all hope to be successful breeding them but the reality is that little successful breeding of this species occurs. Parson's Chameleons are a notoriously difficult species to keep long term and breed/hatch successfully in captivity. While people may claim they aren't difficult to keep, for how long lived they are, few survive anywhere near their potential. They are generally difficult to elicit breeding from and females have a reputation for egg binding issues. The eggs are a challenge to incubate and most successful hatchings have occurred after incubation periods which are considered unnaturally long (as long as 21+ months) and often with high mortality of the clutch.
If they aren't CB then they are illegal. Export of any Calumma parsonii from Madagascar (WC, CB, CH, F1, anything) has been illegal since 1995. CB animals from other countries can be exported to the US legally as long as they have CITES permits. You might check with Pam about them as I highly doubt she is trying to import non-CB C. parsonii, she knows better then that!
Chris
If they aren't CB then they are illegal. Export of any Calumma parsonii from Madagascar (WC, CB, CH, F1, anything) has been illegal since 1995. CB animals from other countries can be exported to the US legally as long as they have CITES permits. You might check with Pam about them as I highly doubt she is trying to import non-CB C. parsonii, she knows better then that!
Chris
kenya
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I'm sorry, I could have totally messed up the details on that. I just know she has some Parson's on the way.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
I'm sure you just misunderstood what she meant. I just didn't want people thinking she was importing C. parsonii that were not CB though cause I know she knows about the CITES regulations.
Chris
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Kent67
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CleanLineChameleons
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LOL...ohh Kent 
I think he meant information on Parsons not smuggling. Here are a couple:
http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/cparsonii.html
http://www.skypoint.com/members/mikefry/parsonii2.html
-chris
I think he meant information on Parsons not smuggling. Here are a couple:http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/cparsonii.html
http://www.skypoint.com/members/mikefry/parsonii2.html
-chris
phelsumatic
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I used to get parsoni,globifer,etc etc for 50.00 a piece although that was 14 year's ago.That's how I got alot of my brookesia.
Kent67
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LOL...ohh Kent
Yes, Chris, I know. However, I feel it is important for people to realize what kind of industry and people they are supporting when they purchase imported Parson's. Everyone wants to know why they're so expensive, well those articles explain it. Often those animals have done more world traveling than 98% of this forum before they make it here. As we ALL know, the species is very difficult to breed in captivity and just about NONE of the entities who claim to have done it recently can offer any proof. With the worldwide popularity of and demand for Parson's chameleons it doesn't make much sense for *cough* breeders in Europe or Asia to hold onto their animals for the months that it takes to aquire CITES permits so that they can send them off to the US, does it??
Regardless, unless the Parson's bloodlines originated from animals exported from Madagascar prior to 1995, smuggling got them to you. Let's not forget that smuggling threatened wildlife is an international crime, one that I find rather deplorable when it's really nothing more than a status symbol for so many people. Yes, they are a wonderful species. I'd like to have more too but not if they have to be smuggled. And before anyone says it, the argument that we are "saving" the species by taking it out of the wild (where they do reproduce) and putting them in captivity (where they almost NEVER reproduce) is silly.
Brad Ramsey
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Hate to be a "Debbie Downer" but shouldn't you be working on perfecting your husbandry with veileds before you start considering a species as difficult as parsons?
How are those girls doing by the way?
-Brad
How are those girls doing by the way?
-Brad
KShook
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oh yes most definately! I was curious to know what everyones opinion were about them, if they are really that awesome of a chameleon which in most cases they are! I wanted to see if I could find more info on them to learn more about them. My girls are doing good, there HUGE! I'll have to take some pics and post them so you can see. Still no eggs yet..Both of the cages are still covered, laying bins in there heat is good humidity is good and it's quite all day till we get home, even then just the TV is on..Is there anything else that I should be doing?! Also! I dident tell you but I have a carpet Chameleon, that Layed her eggs last thursday! She's doing very well. Egg's are incubating well so far!
ruscon
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One more thing to consider with these guys is that your chances of getting one without major health issues are slim. Even the ones that come in looking clean can develop all kinds of fungal problems, mouth rot or respiratory probs ,just to name a few, even months after you get them. Especially when they come in the middle of the winter. Just want you to be aware that it is not as easy as buying one and sailing on. Chances are you will be dealing with something and they can be tough when so small and stressed.
The other thing, is that it really takes 5 years for them to become adult.
No doubt they are an amazing animal, but i would think twice about it.
Sorry; i don't mean to be too negative, but this is the reality; I guess that is what the forum is for.
The other thing, is that it really takes 5 years for them to become adult.
No doubt they are an amazing animal, but i would think twice about it.
Sorry; i don't mean to be too negative, but this is the reality; I guess that is what the forum is for.
ciafardo 4
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With so many species available that are as magnificant and can be captive bred why is everyone who gets into this hobbie so dead set on this even after all the negativity that accompanies them? I HAVE KEPT SEVERAL DIFFERANT species and would like to expand more but i am quite comfortable knowing that i almost definately will never own a parsons and you know what i'm ok with that.
I HAVE KEPT SEVERAL DIFFERANT species and would like to expand more but i am quite comfortable knowing that i almost definately will never own a parsons and you know what i'm ok with that.- Status
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