Panther Chameleon hanging by tail and listless

Kadih

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Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - 1 Year old male Panther, I have had him since he was 8 weeks old.
Handling - very infrequently
Feeding - When he was eating regularly he was eating about 5-8 3/4 inch crickets a day. Crickets are gut loaded with commercial vitamin enriched diet
Supplements - I calcium dust 4 times a week and supplement Rep cal multi vitamin 3 times a week
Watering - He has a drip system and had been drinking regularly up until a few days ago
Fecal Description - tested for parasites by the breeder not since then. He up until yesterday was still having bowel movements, brown and little bit of white, looks same as usual.
History - He had been shedding regularly, the last time he had a shed, about a month ago, he had a little longer time to loosen all the old skin and he seems since that time to be sleeping more and barely opening his eyes.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - screen cage, back covered to protect from drafts, 18x18x18
Lighting - Repti glo 2.0 UVB, exo terra 50 watt infrared heat bulb. Bulbs are on a 12 hour timer, on at 7am off at 7 pm.
Temperature - temerature range 80 in basking spot and 70 at bottom of cage. Over night temp between 62-65 measured with reptile thermometer.
Humidity - humidity level is average of 60 percent, he is misted daily and I have a humidity meter in the enclosure.
Plants - no live plants right now, he used to have false arialia but did not seem to thrive once winter came.
Placement - Cage is in corner of living room, no drafts, top of cage 6 feet from floor.
Location - Windsor, Ontario, Canada


Current Problem - Besides the before mentioned lack of desire to open his eyes, he has become extremely sluggish, staying in one corner of his cage almost exclusively (under the UV bulb, which I changed a little over a month ago). Today he is hanging by his tail all day, falling once, very little feeding for the last week, not much drinking either. He takes little or no notice of anything around him, does not even object to handling when I put him back on his branch after he fell. He is worrying me as he has always been perfectly healthy until his last shed when he seems to be becoming lethargic.
 
Are his eyes sunken? He sounds dehydrated. Get him to a vet ASAP if you want him to have any chance of making it.

Why are you using a reptiglo 2.0? You should be using a repti-glo 5.0. Also, where's the calcium with d3 in his supplements? Switch to repashy, its easier.

Photos of him? Also, your cage is way to small for a 1 year old panther. He needs at least 24x24x48. Lots of things wrong in your setup. You really need to examine your husbandry much closer. I'm surprised you haven't had issues with him already.
 
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Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - 1 Year old male Panther, I have had him since he was 8 weeks old.
Handling - very infrequently
Feeding - When he was eating regularly he was eating about 5-8 3/4 inch crickets a day. Crickets are gut loaded with commercial vitamin enriched diet
Supplements - I calcium dust 4 times a week and supplement Rep cal multi vitamin 3 times a weekyou are over supplementing, you should be using the multivitamin 2 time a month, not 3 times a week!
Watering - He has a drip system and had been drinking regularly up until a few days agodo you not mist?
Fecal Description - tested for parasites by the breeder not since then. He up until yesterday was still having bowel movements, brown and little bit of white, looks same as usual.
History - He had been shedding regularly, the last time he had a shed, about a month ago, he had a little longer time to loosen all the old skin and he seems since that time to be sleeping more and barely opening his eyes.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - screen cage, back covered to protect from drafts, 18x18x18this size is way too small for an adult panther, you need a 24x24x48 cage
Lighting - Repti glo 2.0 UVB, exo terra 50 watt infrared heat bulb. Bulbs are on a 12 hour timer, on at 7am off at 7 pm.you arent using a strong enough uvb bulb, you need a 5.0!!!!!
Temperature - temerature range 80 in basking spot and 70 at bottom of cage. Over night temp between 62-65 measured with reptile thermometer.his basking temp is too low, it shoulod be at least 85 by this point
Humidity - humidity level is average of 60 percent, he is misted daily and I have a humidity meter in the enclosure.
Plants - no live plants right now, he used to have false arialia but did not seem to thrive once winter came.
Placement - Cage is in corner of living room, no drafts, top of cage 6 feet from floor.
Location - Windsor, Ontario, Canada


Current Problem - Besides the before mentioned lack of desire to open his eyes, he has become extremely sluggish, staying in one corner of his cage almost exclusively (under the UV bulb, which I changed a little over a month ago). Today he is hanging by his tail all day, falling once, very little feeding for the last week, not much drinking either. He takes little or no notice of anything around him, does not even object to handling when I put him back on his branch after he fell. He is worrying me as he has always been perfectly healthy until his last shed when he seems to be becoming lethargic.

I think that my changes in red could be contributing to your issues.
 
I would up his basking spot to 90or above also. 80 is low for an adult panther. and that cage is way too small also!!!
 
Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - 1 Year old male Panther, I have had him since he was 8 weeks old.
Handling - very infrequently
Feeding - When he was eating regularly he was eating about 5-8 3/4 inch crickets a day. Crickets are gut loaded with commercial vitamin enriched diet
Supplements - I calcium dust 4 times a week and supplement Rep cal multi vitamin 3 times a week Where is the calcium? Panther also need some sort of preformed vit A in there monthly diet. Repcals product only has proformed.
Watering - He has a drip system and had been drinking regularly up until a few days agoAre you misting at all?
Fecal Description - tested for parasites by the breeder not since then. He up until yesterday was still having bowel movements, brown and little bit of white, looks same as usual.
History - He had been shedding regularly, the last time he had a shed, about a month ago, he had a little longer time to loosen all the old skin and he seems since that time to be sleeping more and barely opening his eyes.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - screen cage, back covered to protect from drafts, 18x18x18
As stated above this is small for an adult. A 24x24x48 cage should be provided as soon as you can.

Lighting - Repti glo 2.0 UVB, exo terra 50 watt infrared heat bulb. Bulbs are on a 12 hour timer, on at 7am off at 7 pm.Also as stated above the strength of the bulb should be a 5.0. Also change the infrared out for a normal house bulb.
Temperature - temerature range 80 in basking spot and 70 at bottom of cage. Over night temp between 62-65 measured with reptile thermometer.Basking needs to raise but with this your watering techniques need to also improve.
Humidity - humidity level is average of 60 percent, he is misted daily and I have a humidity meter in the enclosure.
Plants - no live plants right now, he used to have false arialia but did not seem to thrive once winter came.
Placement - Cage is in corner of living room, no drafts, top of cage 6 feet from floor.
Location - Windsor, Ontario, Canada


Current Problem - Besides the before mentioned lack of desire to open his eyes, he has become extremely sluggish, staying in one corner of his cage almost exclusively (under the UV bulb, which I changed a little over a month ago). Today he is hanging by his tail all day, falling once, very little feeding for the last week, not much drinking either. He takes little or no notice of anything around him, does not even object to handling when I put him back on his branch after he fell. He is worrying me as he has always been perfectly healthy until his last shed when he seems to be becoming lethargic.

Judging by the care listed. Your chameleon is probably suffering from mbd. I dont see any calcium supplements listed and the uvb is insufficient. Your chameleon should see a qualified vet and your bulb will need to change ASAP. Here is a basic panther care sheet to refer to.

Cage:24x24x48' SCREEN cage lots of rope, vines and live plants if you can. Live plants will help with the humidity. Make sure you cover the soil with screen or large rocks. Put cage as high up in the room as you can. Not near any vents, fans or windows.

Lighting: 5.0 reptisun or reptiglo linear tube (length depends on cage size)/house hold bulb for basking. The house bulb watt will depend on how far your nearest branch is from the light and your ambient room temps.
Ask us about mercury vapor bulbs.
***change UVB bulbs every 6 months.

Temps: Basking temp 90* for a male low 80's* for female / ambient temps 72* measure by digital guages.

Hydration: Manual spray 2-5 minutes/2-3 times a day. Provide a dripper. Misting systems are very benefitial.

Feeders: Gutload (24 hours before feeding) Crickets, mealworms, silkworms, hornworms, dubai - turkistan - discoides - hisser roaches, reptiworms, BB flies, moths, butterflies, mantids, cicadas, katydids, spiders, butter worms

Gutload (crickets, roaches, mealworms): I think this is a key component in a healthy panther. I do make this gut load and if you are interested in purchasing some pm me.

Alfalfa
Almonds
Bakers yeast
Bee Pollen
Black beans
Chili powder
Cranberry beans
Dandelion Greens
Dried apple
Dried beets
Dried Cactus pads
Dried coconut
Dried cranberry
Dried mango
Dried papaya
Endive
Escarole
Green algae
Green Split peas
Ground wheat
Kidney Bean
Lima Beans
Milk Thistle
Northern Beans
Oat Hay
Pink Beans
Pinto Beans
Pumpkin Seeds
Rice hulls
Rosemary
Sesame seeds
Spirulina
Squash Seeds
Sunflower seeds
Timothy Hay
Wheat meddlings
Wolfs berry
Yellow beans
Yellow Split peas

Acidophilus
Aspergillus oryzae
Bifidobacterium bifidum
Enteroccus faecium
Lactobacillus
Lactobacillus casei

Extracts:
Anise
Cassia
Garlic
Horseradish
Juniper
Marigold pedal
Yucca

Supplements: repcal calcium w/o d3 every feeding, reptivite twice a month
 
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