Panted Vivarium for Adult Female Veiled

timmac69

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Hello All,
I wanted to share pics of a custom build I did for my daughter's female Veiled Cham. I already posted all the pics to Vivarium Forums, so thought it easier to just share that link (I am not sure if you need to be a forum member in order to view the pics). I realize it is an unconventional approach to a Cham enclosure, but the unique design solves the problem of how to maintain proper humidity levels while still offering appropriate ventilation (and it quite a conversation piece to have in our living room while still providing all of the requirements for our cham). We now have a 6 week old Red Bar Panther Chameleon, so I will soon be starting on a larger enclosure for him. I have really enjoyed reading all the threads in here...some really good stuff!

http://www.vivariumforum.com/community/chameleons/7336-planted-viv-veiled-chameleon.html
 
Is that water on the bottom? If so, chameleons can easily drown, and it will become a mass of poop and dead feeders very soon. If I'm seeing wrong, I apologize.

It's an awesome viv, but IMO absolutely NOT appropriate for a veiled chameleon.
 
Lisa, it is indeed water (and as I said, this is an 'unconventional' build). The level is shallow enough for her to stand in, and being arboreal, she never ventures down into the glass enclosure anyway. The glass tank was used to help create/retain humidity levels that feed the open air addition that sits above the tank. I have temp/humidity probes in both the upper and lower areas to monitor the changes throughout the enclosure. There is a hidden filtration system at the base of the waterfall to keep the water clean and I cannot feed her crickets in there, as the egg crate addition would not prevent them from escaping (She gets crickets in her screened enclosure we use for placing her outdoors). Thanks for the feedback
 
She may not venture down there but what if she falls(and they do)and gets a mouth or a nose full water even if she can stand up. Not liking the water aspect of it...sorry. If you decide to take out the water remove that brown stuff also as she might eat it and become impacted. There was just someone on here the other day who's chameleon was eating the bark substrate. It happens and can cause serious injury. .
 
Its a beautiful vivarium. Youve def got a talent for designing and landscaping. Im with the others on the water aspect though. Its a danger that could become a problem in the future. I'd build her a traditional enclosure and change the inhabitants of that tank to something along the lines of poison dart frogs or something amphibian. Jmo.....
 
bacteria may also be a prlm with the standing water but if you can solve that maybe you can screen off the water so your cham cant fall in also crickets are stupid they will drow, unless your cup feeding then that problems solved
 
Thanks to all for the feedback thus far....it seems in just under an hour I have already caused quite a controversy! LOL Rest assured that we truly do have a vested interest in our Cham's healthy/safety :) I will say that she has been in there for 7 months now and quite healthy/active. A downside to this build is there is less depth than a conventional set up (given the dimensions of the glass aquarium), but there is plenty of height and width for her to roam. Our next build will be more conventional for the larger male panther, with 6 ft of vertical height and your typical potted plants with drainage at the bottom, but no regrets at all on this build. Everyone should recognize that Chams are exposed to standing water in their natural environments (and despite that, still reach full maturity, successfully reproduce, etc). Humans can drown in 2 inches of water, but how many of us allow our children to take baths in a tub?....just some food for thought. Also, we did have her for two years prior to this build, providing us ample opportunity to observe her behaviors and take everything into account. Given this set up is in our living room, we simply wanted to create something more appealing to the eye and the greatest benefit is that my 7 year old sits in front of it just as other children would sit in front of a TV...more Mother Nature and Less Hanna Montana! LOL This set up is modular, and if I felt there was a true threat to her safety, I could easily add a mesh cover between the tank and topper but I have not added that measure, as I did not want to take away from the internal height of the entire tank so she can sense the height of the 'forest canopy' above the 'forest floor'. The substrate along the back of the enclosure is adhered with silicone (that cures completely inert) and is not loose to cause the threat of impaction. Her favorite perch is above my eye level, (I am 6 ft), so she feels very secure when someone approaches the tank. I absolutely think everyone's concerns are good to share with those who are new to the hobby, but for those of you desiring a vivarium design for your enclosure, just know it can be successfully done with the proper research, experience and observation of your animals. Our Cham is living proof. :p Furthermore, you will not experience the common problem of inadequate humidity/temperature levels that others in the hobby might experience with a true meshed enclosure.
My favorite quote:
"Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, professionals built the Titanic whereas Noah built the Ark" -author unkown
 
Well it appears that you love your chameleon just like the rest of us! I for one would be a nervous wreck having all that water and would be checking it constantly! So would not be for me!!! When it comes to water and chameleons, yes, you will start a controversy on here! I know what you mentioned about their natural environment, but I would be interested to see if in Yemen and Saudi Arabia where the Veilds come from, that their ground habitat is sitting in standing water because really that is what you have created. Same goes for the Panthers of Madagascar...Maybe Chris Anderson, who has been there numerous times can comment on that one. Chris you out there today???? I guess if you chameleon is healthy, then that is all that really matters anyways.
 
This forum has alot of knowledgeable reptile folks and I for one am Thankful to have found this forum and I knew nothing before I joined here but the basics but I have learned so much in such a short time and I would say whole heartly listen to these people as they will not stray you wrong. They are just looking out for the safety of your Chameleon.

Welcome aboard and please do not get offended by anyone just trying to help:D
 
Well....Yemen is typically arid, but is subject to winter monsoon seasons. Madagascar is home to tropical rainforests.
So....who wants to start a discussion on the evils of chameleons in glass enclosures? <quivering behind a large piece of furniture while anticipating the next post> LOL
 
Thanks Ozzie....I am an absolute research hound and this forum and the folks contributing to it are fantastic....I love reading the threads and have also learned a lot in my 30 years of animal husbandry. I take no offense from the feedback....I know enough about chameleons to know what was coming with sharing our pics LOL I know everyone means well and it is rewarding to see so many people take such a vested interest in ensuring others put the necessary attention to proper care of their animals. Keep it up!!
 
Well....Yemen is typically arid because it is near the equator, but is subject to winter monsoon seasons. Madagascar is home to tropical rainforests.
So....who wants to start a discussion on the evils of chameleons in glass enclosures? <quivering behind a large piece of furniture while anticipating the next post> LOL

HA! There are plenty of people who do(some that are afraid to admit I am sure lol) but there is a great thread to read written by Chris Anderson I think you will find interesting about keeping in glass. Here it is! https://www.chameleonforums.com/everyone-who-knows-you-cant-keep-chameleons-glass-31937/ Still not sure about the water thing though....just curious with the bottom being water what will you do if she needs to lay eggs. Where would you put the laying bin? Outside the cage obviously?
 
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not sure is someone said this before but they do go to the bottom from time to time.
be it in search of feeders or seeing whats down there, but they do go down there when u are not looking.
 
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