Out of enclosure plants?

I just got my juvenile Cham about 9 days ago, almost 3 months old. Planning to attempt the first tong feeding tomorrow, and depending on how that goes I will attempt the first true handling since he was shipped. Assuming he happens to be a social butterfly who likes out of cage time (in the future), what plants do you keep in the house for them to chill on for short periods of time? My ceiling is probably an 8ft’er. Thank you!
 
I have to caution against tong feeding. Chameleons are much much quicker with their tongue shoot and grab than we are with our release, and this can result in a tongue injury. Some chameleons have even had such a bad injury, that they lost their tongues completely! Sadly, I’m not exaggerating or being overly dramatic. Since I’m not a big fan of holding most feeder insects with my bare fingers, I rely upon silkworms for hand feeding to build trust. I put one on the back of my hand and hold my hand out to my cham. Silkworms move slowly, don’t bite and are just soft and sweet little buggies. Hornworms are also good for hand feeding, and I recommend only hand feeding them since they have extra sticky and strong feet and don’t like letting go of most surfaces, which again, can cause a tongue injury. They can nibble a bit on you, but it doesn’t hurt…just feels strange. 😂 Sometimes I’ll put hornworms on the smooth plastic bottom of a deli cup and hold that out to my Cham. Do make sure not to give a hornworm which is too large. They grow super fast, so only get enough for 1-2 days at a time, and get them much smaller than needed.
For plants, you can use any type of plant outside of the enclosure that you use inside. Some have created free range areas, which are amazing! Try searching the forum for free range ideas. I had saved a pic of one but I’ll never find it. Someone had used a corner of the room and attached a lattice I think, and then all different plants. It was pretty and functional. You could scavenge a nice sized branch from outside and secure it to a window and have maybe a pothos with some nice strong vines hanging, or better yet, place the pothos down low and train the vines to grow up. The vine and leaves grow much larger when they grow upwards. Chams seem to enjoy looking out windows..just as nosy as the rest of us. 😁
 
I have to caution against tong feeding. Chameleons are much much quicker with their tongue shoot and grab than we are with our release, and this can result in a tongue injury. Some chameleons have even had such a bad injury, that they lost their tongues completely! Sadly, I’m not exaggerating or being overly dramatic. Since I’m not a big fan of holding most feeder insects with my bare fingers, I rely upon silkworms for hand feeding to build trust. I put one on the back of my hand and hold my hand out to my cham. Silkworms move slowly, don’t bite and are just soft and sweet little buggies. Hornworms are also good for hand feeding, and I recommend only hand feeding them since they have extra sticky and strong feet and don’t like letting go of most surfaces, which again, can cause a tongue injury. They can nibble a bit on you, but it doesn’t hurt…just feels strange. 😂 Sometimes I’ll put hornworms on the smooth plastic bottom of a deli cup and hold that out to my Cham. Do make sure not to give a hornworm which is too large. They grow super fast, so only get enough for 1-2 days at a time, and get them much smaller than needed.
For plants, you can use any type of plant outside of the enclosure that you use inside. Some have created free range areas, which are amazing! Try searching the forum for free range ideas. I had saved a pic of one but I’ll never find it. Someone had used a corner of the room and attached a lattice I think, and then all different plants. It was pretty and functional. You could scavenge a nice sized branch from outside and secure it to a window and have maybe a pothos with some nice strong vines hanging, or better yet, place the pothos down low and train the vines to grow up. The vine and leaves grow much larger when they grow upwards. Chams seem to enjoy looking out windows..just as nosy as the rest of us. 😁
You’ve been a lifesaver through all of my posts, thank you so much first and foremost! The tongs I have do have rubber tip covers but honestly theyre kinda hard to hold the bugs with without crushing them, probably gonna stick to cup and hand feeding to be honest. The handling went decent today, he was less than thrilled when I was attempting to get him to come on my hand lol, but once we were out of the enclosure he seemed to chill out a lot! He lightened his colors up almost immediately once we were out of his home. Im gonna give him a few days before we do another attempt. Any tips for facilitating bonding? Ive tried hand feeding (before the handling) and he wasnt too into it. He also doesnt seem to care for the dubias, do chams not do great with deep food bowls? Ive been stressed trying to keep track of cricket consumption because they obviously jump out of the cup and free roam the enclosure and then its up to him to find them, which I dont love the idea of. He also has no interest in the occasional drippings I offer, i think thats a good thing right?
 
You’ve been a lifesaver through all of my posts, thank you so much first and foremost! The tongs I have do have rubber tip covers but honestly theyre kinda hard to hold the bugs with without crushing them, probably gonna stick to cup and hand feeding to be honest. The handling went decent today, he was less than thrilled when I was attempting to get him to come on my hand lol, but once we were out of the enclosure he seemed to chill out a lot! He lightened his colors up almost immediately once we were out of his home. Im gonna give him a few days before we do another attempt. Any tips for facilitating bonding? Ive tried hand feeding (before the handling) and he wasnt too into it. He also doesnt seem to care for the dubias, do chams not do great with deep food bowls? Ive been stressed trying to keep track of cricket consumption because they obviously jump out of the cup and free roam the enclosure and then its up to him to find them, which I dont love the idea of. He also has no interest in the occasional drippings I offer, i think thats a good thing right?
It’s not the tips of the tongs that are the problem, but it’s that we aren’t quick enough on the release of them. You see how fast those tongues shoot out and grab a bug. If the bug doesn’t let go in the millisecond it’s grabbed, the tongue muscle and shooting mechanism gets pulled wrong and is easily injured.
For feeding stations, I like and use the shooting gallery. https://tkchameleons.com/products/shooting-gallery?variant=30018608595032 In a pinch, I have made my own version of it. There’s many similar ones available all over Etsy and I think Fram’s Chams has one too. There are other styles of feeding stations out there too. https://www.fullthrottlefeeders.com/ This is a popular one with many. A similar version is this. https://sunsetchameleons.com/product-category/chameleons/chameleon-feeders/ While there is nothing that is 100% escape-proof, these are all very good at containing your bugs. You would want to place it at just below basking level, so that it is visible when your cham is basking. We leave it in the same place and they very quickly learn that is where the food comes from. I have caught just about all of my chams peeking into see if any tender morsels have magically appeared, and one guy even slept in his! The only feeder that I have a problem putting into the shooting gallery is bsfl - they squirm out immediately. I think wax worms would do the same. (I hand feed both of those in a cup).
Building trust just takes a lot of time and patience from the both of you. Veileds will almost always be harder and stay more wild than panthers. My panthers willingly come out and just hang out in my hand or arm. I think there have been only 2 times in almost 7 years that one of my veileds has willingly stepped onto my hand. Just because they trust me, doesn’t mean they like me or want anything to do with me. This is a great blog on building trust. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/building-trust-with-your-chameleon.2396/
For some chameleons, roaches are an acquired taste. What many do is put a roach in with the other feeders. I have to hand feed one of mine (vision problems) and he’s not that into roaches, so the first feeder I offer him while he’s at his hungriest is a roach. He’ll refuse to take any more after the one, but I’m still trying. Do offer a variety of feeders. Many of the on line vendors offer variety packs which are species specific. They are perfect if you have just one or two insectivores.
 
Nothing really wrong with a decorator fake. He won't be living in it, it won't require light or water so you can put it wherever you want in the house, its ability to retain water droplets or withstand higher humidity won't really matter so what its planted in doesn't matter, and chances are he won't be chewing on those silken leaves enough to worry about. I've scored large fake Ficus trees at garage sales and hobby stores. You can also swap nicer looking branches from one to another. I've also used fakes to expand my free range habitats.
 
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