Once again..... HELP ME EXPERT PEOPLE!!!

[NickyChameleon]

Ok so I know I'm either getting a Jackson's or Senegal, but I need somewhere to get them from relatively cheap, I'm not asking for 20$ (though if you know of a site selling that cheap lemme know) but somewhere around 30-60$ including shipping. Thanks, you guys rock. Read previous posts to know what I have for my soon to be pal.

 

[NickyChameleon]

Sp do I like have to reply to read the other replies?

 

[NickyChameleon]

So how do I know who's responded

 

[distortionz]

The Cham's and the price range you want lllreptile

 

[Onemorecast]

Any reason youre against a veiled cham!? The price is in that area and imo are gorgeous, them and panthers (which i dont own) would be my fav. That crest is so prehistoric and awesome and they are a fantastic "oldworld" cham.

 

[OldChamKeeper]

For my .02 I think you've burned your bridges with the "expert people" in the short term. Good luck with you cham and I would suggest again you read the care sheets this site offers. Your money and effort would go a long way with a bearded dragon.

 

[NickyChameleon]

I can't get a veiled, my cage is too small and my cage won't be big enough for an adult when I upgrade, thank you for the suggestion. I apologized to the expert people and some accepted my apology.

 

[mvad]

Chameleons are not a cheap animal to own. Why don't you save some money then buy the correct enclosure and supplies.

 

[Paulycham]

First of all don't do what i did, i got a veiled chameleon and had no idea on how to feed one. (LEARN YOUR HUSBANDRY FIRST) The first 6 months i had her she looked awesome, in the 7th month she stopped eating and i didn't know why. I brought her to the vet on tuesday and found out she has MBD from not giving her the right calcium and not having a laying bin in her cage at the right time. It cost me $300.00 dollars for the vet. I have to force feed her her calcium and carnivore care food everyday. So do your research before you get one!!!!! I HAVE PICS TO PROVE IT AND IT BREAKS MY HEART EVERYDAY SEEING HER LIKE THIS.... i have pics before and after she got ill.

 

[Sheac88]

Ok, I'm not an expert by any means but I've been viewing your threads for a few days now. You obviously need to do some more research into the husbandry and care of chameleons. If you are trying to do things the cheapest way, then it will most likely end badly IMO. You should save up your money for a proper enclosure and a CB cham. If you are looking for a chameleon in the $20-$60 range with shipping,then you will be limited to mostly wild caught or "field collected" animals. A CB Veiled is the best option for a beginner due to their care being more "forgiving" than other chameleons. They are also relatively inexpensive. Expect to pay between $30-$80 (not including shipping) for a CB Male from a reputable breeder. You can purchase a XL Reptibreeze for about $100 (plus shipping). Do yourself and the potential chameleon a favor and wait until you have the proper set up and knowledge.

 

[OldChamKeeper]

Ok, I'm not an expert by any means but I've been viewing your threads for a few days now. You obviously need to do some more research into the husbandry and care of chameleons. If you are trying to do things the cheapest way, then it will most likely end badly IMO. You should save up your money for a proper enclosure and a CB cham. If you are looking for a chameleon in the $20-$60 range with shipping,then you will be limited to mostly wild caught or "field collected" animals. A CB Veiled is the best option for a beginner due to their care being more "forgiving" than other chameleons. They are also relatively inexpensive. Expect to pay between $30-$80 (not including shipping) for a CB Male from a reputable breeder. You can purchase a XL Reptibreeze for about $100 (plus shipping). Do yourself and the potential chameleon a favor and wait until you have the proper set up and knowledge.

I genuinely don't think he's going to take any advice from us Sheac unless it's what he wants to hear. Notice how the vast majority of Senior members are not weighing in. We've seen it before. Let him do it his way but it's not worth the time to post on his threads from my end.

 

[Sheac88]

I genuinely don't think he's going to take any advice from us Sheac unless it's what he wants to hear. Notice how the vast majority of Senior members are not weighing in. We've seen it before. Let him do it his way but it's not worth the time to post on his threads from my end.

You're probably right. What a shame.

 

[NickyChameleon]

Actually I take everyone's advice into consideration. However, I am incredibly stubborn and I believe that glass cages work better, that a small chameleon less than 6" maximum will do fine in a 2' tall cage that will soon get a 18" extension, and on top of this most of you know what you are doing. (Not insulting the others, just saying some people are isolated or biased to certain topics.) Anyway, thank you for the info on Jax and Rudis, and of course most Senegks are WC. Backwater and LLL seem to have a bad rep here, so I won't get from them (even though they have a 4.6* rating.) FLChams is looking pretty good to you guys, I'll look over it a few more times.

 

[NickyChameleon]

190$ for a Rudis.....any other good shops (relatively cheap, as in not over 100$?)

 

[Craigwyatt]

Did I just read what I think I just read. You believe glass cages are best for chameleons????? Please share your experiences using both screen and glass and tell us how you have come to this conclusion.
I'm not sure why I keep wasting my time posting on this guys threads. Maybe it's because I'm already feeling sorry for the poor poor chameleon that he's gonna end up with.
Watch out for a thread that's gonna pop up in the near future. "Why did my chameleon die"
I'd also would like for you to answer this question too. Why do you keep making new post. I'm asking because you refuse to take anyone's advise.

 

[Sheac88]

Actually I take everyone's advice into consideration. However, I am incredibly stubborn and I believe that glass cages work better, that a small chameleon less than 6" maximum will do fine in a 2' tall cage that will soon get a 18" extension, and on top of this most of you know what you are doing. (Not insulting the others, just saying some people are isolated or biased to certain topics.) Anyway, thank you for the info on Jax and Rudis, and of course most Senegks are WC. Backwater and LLL seem to have a bad rep here, so I won't get from them (even though they have a 4.6* rating.) FLChams is looking pretty good to you guys, I'll look over it a few more times.

Yes you obviously are very stubborn. Which is not a quality to have when seeking advice on a forum full of experts and other knowledgable keepers. They are not only looking out for the health and overall wellbeing of the cham, but they are also looking out for you. The whole glass vs. screen enclosures is obviously debatable. But extra care needs to be taken in a glass enclosure. Stress from reflection, excess heat/humidity, stale stagnant air. All of this can come into play with a glass enclosure. Eco Terra's are wonderfully built terrariums and do allow quite a bit of air movement. More so than your typical glass aquarium turned terrarium. But for such a sensitive animal it's a big risk to take. Especially for an advanced species of cham with a new cham owner. I get that you have reptile experience and that's great. I have kept retiles my whole life. But chams are not your run of the mill reptile. I'm glad to see that you are looking at FLChams. I've heard nothing but good things. Don't be in such a rush. It's exciting when you get the fever but keeping and raising a thriving cham, will be much more rewarding when done the right way. I have had my veiled for a little more than week now and I'm already itching to get a Panther. I have done months and months of research, I set up the enclosure and made sure that everything was perfect before buying my cham. I will be doing the same before i get another. I have a 18x18x24 Exo Terra in my basement. Could I get a panther now and put him in there? Sure. But IMO a glass enclosure is not suitable for the long term care of a cham. I hope this does not fall on deaf ears. I have said my, rather lengthy (sorry) piece. I hope you make the right decision for both you and the cham.

 

[NickyChameleon]

Wow. First I apologized already, but you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. My enclosure is far too small for a panther, veiled, and especially mellers or oustalets. A 18"x18"x42"tall cage is far big enough for a six inch Rudis chameleon, and 6.5 inches is the maximum of the species. And I don't want a big chameleon, I would prefer a small one such as the RUDIS, or SENEGAL, or maybe the JACKSON'S, but apparently Jax are montane and harder to keep, so u will take that advice. The suggested cage size for a Rudis (adult male) is 16"x16"x32"tall, and as my extension will supersede this by 2"x2"x10", it is quite large enough. I have all the equipment, and honestly my first post had better than these answers. As you seem to not know this from my previous atleast 5 times of saying this, please don't imagine I would put a Panther in a cage that small unless temporarily because I found it being mistreated. I'm not saying I'm an expert, merely that I am qualified to have a chameleon and have all the necessary items. Again,,I don't plan on stuffing a 2' long chameleon in a cage that tall, but a 6" chameleon should do nicely in a tank slightly larger than its reccomended size, as I will be buying a young chameleon, as compared to an adult Panther chameleon,which I stated I had no interest in, or anything exceding 12" long. I want a chameleon,yes, but unlike your theories, I don't plan on and never will mistreat a chameleon.

 

[NickyChameleon]

Let me ask you a question, week 1 Cham owner. What makes you more qualified than I? You have had a week of a chameleon and have done about the same amount of research. We both know not to cram and to have a decent sized enclosure, but yet you are lecturing me on getting an "advanced Cham" while I am a "beginner keeper" or whatever. You and I have both kept reptiles a while, and we both know how they work. I understand Chams are intermediate if not advanced, but still. I know things. I know how big, needs, wants, food, supplements, and so on. I have plenty of things for Chiche to climb on, and I don't want discouragement, I want help. Such as where to get a chameleon.....my ORIGINAL TOPIC THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO.

 

[Sheac88]

Let me ask you a question, week 1 Cham owner. What makes you more qualified than I? You have had a week of a chameleon and have done about the same amount of research. We both know not to cram and to have a decent sized enclosure, but yet you are lecturing me on getting an "advanced Cham" while I am a "beginner keeper" or whatever. You and I have both kept reptiles a while, and we both know how they work. I understand Chams are intermediate if not advanced, but still. I know things. I know how big, needs, wants, food, supplements, and so on. I have plenty of things for Chiche to climb on, and I don't want discouragement, I want help. Such as where to get a chameleon.....my ORIGINAL TOPIC THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO.

Obviously we have not done the same amount of research or you would not be wanting to go about this the cheap easy way and we would not be having this conversation. You have an improper set up for an animal that you will be responsible for. I may have only had my cham for a week, but I had the proper set up BEFORE HAND. Which is all i'm trying to get through to you. I am not or have i ever claimed to be an expert in chameleons. I learn more each and every day. I am giving mine the best care possible, whereas you are wanting to give yours the easiest most inexpensive care possible. As stated previously, you will only be happy when someone tells you what you want to hear. Good luck and I wish you all the best.... for the chameleon's sake.

 

[NickyChameleon]

Actually I've had the set up for several months and it is the correct setup, thank you. And while I would like as cheap as possible, I also want a healthy guy, preferably CB but if there is a WC that is adjusted and there is proof he has adjusted (very well), I will get him.