Not shure if problem

BauBau

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Hey guys i recently joined the forum, i'm a student from Romania, i currently own 2 female veiled chameleons both from the same clutch, and here is my problem one of them is very fat and eats like no tommorow and she is not shy i can water her feed her from my hand, no problem, the other one is considerably smaller than her bigger sister but she eats just as well, but she is very shy and does not like to be handled. I'm suspecting internal parasites but not shure, sorry for the bad grammar.
Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
veiled chameleon, female, 4 moths, she has been in my care for about 3 weeks.
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
once a day
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Blatta lateralis and meal worms, about 4-5 a feed twice a day, fresh fruit and dog food with proteins and minerals.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Calcium + D3 the same as the man who sold them to me.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
spraing with manual spray pomp, about 2 times a day, yes she drinks.
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
sometimes the droppings are al brown but i have seen dropings that have been white on one and connected with the brown part through a strange fillament that looks like a worm but not shure it was one, she has never been tested for parasites.
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
nothing special here.

Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
it's a double cage for her and her sister, but separated thorugh a screen of net, the whole cage is made out of that.
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
i use 2 spotlight 45w light bulbs for heat and a 5.0 UVB reptiglo lightbulb plus sunlight when there is available.
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
the temperature is in range of the normal one, i use a thermometer to measure the one at the basking spot and the one lower.
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
for humidity i use the spray and like i said sprnkle twice a day sometimes even 3 times a day. I do not have anything at the moment to measure humidity.
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Only live plants Ficus Benjamin and Ficus Ginseng.
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
The cage is located in the middle of the dorm room, yes i live in a dorm, not close to air vents or fans but sometimes there is some medium traffic, the cage is located about the half height of the room.
Location - Where are you geographically located?
Romania. The climate here is temperate continental with mediteranean influences.

The strange thing is that the other female doesn't present my females simptoms, and we feed them the same and water them the same, please enlighten me. Thank you in advance, sincerely Pascu Emanuel.
 
Hey guys i recently joined the forum, i'm a student from Romania, i currently own 2 female veiled chameleons both from the same clutch, and here is my problem one of them is very fat and eats like no tommorow and she is not shy i can water her feed her from my hand, no problem, the other one is considerably smaller than her bigger sister but she eats just as well, but she is very shy and does not like to be handled. I'm suspecting internal parasites but not shure, sorry for the bad grammar.
Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
veiled chameleon, female, 4 moths, she has been in my care for about 3 weeks.
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
once a day
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Blatta lateralis and meal worms, about 4-5 a feed twice a day, fresh fruit and dog food with proteins and minerals. I would use any products with animals protein with caution. It is linked to health issues like edema. Instead look up sandrachameleon and ferretsinmyshoes blogs on great gut loading tips.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Calcium + D3 the same as the man who sold them to me.You need to stop d3 every feeding. Tooo much d3 can cause some serious health issues usually ending in a early death. Plain phos free calcium every feeding. i personally use a product reptivite twice a month that is a multi vit and has d3 all in one.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
spraing with manual spray pomp, about 2 times a day, yes she drinks.
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
sometimes the droppings are al brown but i have seen dropings that have been white on one and connected with the brown part through a strange fillament that looks like a worm but not shure it was one, she has never been tested for parasites.
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
nothing special here.

Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
it's a double cage for her and her sister, but separated thorugh a screen of net, the whole cage is made out of that.what are the dimensions? Pictures?>
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
i use 2 spotlight 45w light bulbs for heat and a 5.0 UVB reptiglo lightbulb plus sunlight when there is available.Great!
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
the temperature is in range of the normal one, i use a thermometer to measure the one at the basking spot and the one lower.Please be specific..
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
for humidity i use the spray and like i said sprnkle twice a day sometimes even 3 times a day. I do not have anything at the moment to measure humidity.
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Only live plants Ficus Benjamin and Ficus Ginseng.
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
The cage is located in the middle of the dorm room, yes i live in a dorm, not close to air vents or fans but sometimes there is some medium traffic, the cage is located about the half height of the room.
Location - Where are you geographically located?
Romania. The climate here is temperate continental with mediteranean influences.

The strange thing is that the other female doesn't present my females simptoms, and we feed them the same and water them the same, please enlighten me. Thank you in advance, sincerely Pascu Emanuel.

Welcome to the forums.

Are you wanting to know why one female is smaller than the other female?

1. Separate the two cages with foam board or anything so they cant see each other. I never had a problem of a female being weary of another in a cage next to them but i can see it happening.

2. It is possible she has parasite. It would be a great thing to take a fresh feces to a vet to be sure.

3. With the use of animal protein. Can i see pictures? You say she is bigger...is it possible she may have edema?

4. Every chameleon grows at a different rate. She just may be a late bloomer per say :p
 
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See if it helps at all if you make it so that they cannot see each other.

I had two chameleons housed together and even though they seemed fine together, they both did much better after I put them in their own cages where they couldn't see each other.

I am having health issues with one now and part of it may be because it was the weaker of the two.
 
The larger one may be stressing the other one out. There should be something between them so they can't see each other. You were given other good advice too.

Also...overfeeding veiled females can lead to constipation, prolapses, MBD and reproductive issues.
 
OK thanl you for the answers, the first thing that i will do is go and put something between them, second i'll take them to my facutly (yes i'm studying to be a vet), problem here is that our school heck even our country doesn't put much accent on exotic animals, but i will try the feces thing, and it might be a late bloomer but i'm still concerned about her beeing too shy maybe she will someday loosen up, well i will do what i must, again thanks for the help we shall keep in touch. Bye.
 
So i took some pictures today, i'm really worried about something that shows on her abdomen over here.
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And she hasn't molted completly i tryed to remove the leftover skin with a moistured cotton stick, but it didn't all fell off. Here are some other pics, maybe you guys will se something i didn't.
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If you guys need any other pics or angles please tell and i will try to tame "the beast", also i noticed she has a very strong grip, very aggressive, and she's extremly shy, very wild, hope you can figure it out, bye guys.
 
First pic with the illness concern. That is normal.

Your chameleon is quite plump. Typically that is what a female will look like when she is plum full of eggs. From the looks of your chameleon she looks a little young yet to produce eggs. I dont have any experience with a female that young producing so maybe someone else will chime in if they have. i really dont think your chameleon is particularly over weight or even has eggs. If i had to give you my best guess from pictures. I personally think your chameleon either constantly fills hers body with air or she has edema. As strange as it sounds the reason for the air is that her veins in her tail and along her dorsal ridge are apparent. That is typically not the case in a over weight cham. If she does indeed have edema...I would stop gut loading with animal protein ASAP. She needs to be detoxed. You can simply do it with time and no harmful nutrients. Follow the gut load blogs already stated.
 
Did you say you use only calcium with d3? Most of us use plain (no d3) calcium at all feeding and use the calcium + D3 only every other week. Just an idea. Also as for her being shy, that may never change. Even clutch mates may have very different personalties, I would handle her only when necessary and see if that helps. But it looks like you are doing a good job with them.
 
thank you very much for the help, i will stop gut loading and maybe feed her a little less, the d3 vitamin is separate from the calcium, also she gets a lot of sunlight, also i have a debate with my roomates we have normal thermopane glass can UV-B get filtered through that or not?
 
http://www.uvguide.co.uk/uvinnature.htm

copy and pasted from that link.

"Crown glass" - window glass and aquarium/ vivarium glass - Fig. 11. No UVB reaches these bearded dragons through the window almost completely blocks UVB. A meter aimed directly at the sun through one double-glazed glass window recorded 2uW/cm² when the unobstructed reading was 147uW/cm² - over 98.5% was blocked. Through other windows and several glass vivarium panels, a 100% block was seen. Reptiles living indoors behind glass are unlikely, therefore, to benefit from natural UVB from the sun.
 
Same deal with the cage info and my cham seems to have dehydratation or so it seems, it's currently 7pm here and i saw her keeping here eyes nealry closed and it's not the first time, she seems to be sleeping and i know it's not ok. I saw her ureate and it's white with a yellow tip but the eyes seem sunken to me, please take a look at her and give me some pointers could it be hypocalcemia ? here are the pics:
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Got her a bit wet when i spraied the enclosure. Hope the pics aren't that bad.
 
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