Nosy Faly

[Nicodemayo]

Having purchased many Nosy Falys, I wont buy a Nosy Faly to simply say I have a "Nosy Faly". Its unfortunate, IMO, that some actually do.

Just curious, Having not been to Nosy Faly myself, are there any geographic barriers that would keep a population of chams (even very small) apart from another on the island?

Again out of curiosity, Is there a possibility that other color morphs (locales) have been transplanted INTO Nosy Faly (by people who dont care), thus creating "crosses"? That would be a way to get some wild color variations (depending on the amount of chams transplanted) in a relatively short period of time.

In this thread are pics of a few of the Falys I have. Ive added a few more since then.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/little-faly-ya-20475/index2.html

Great questions, and beautiful falys sage


I would also like to know if there is some sort of barrier there or not. Im no nosy faly expert, nor have I ever been to Madagascar, so I would really like to know. Its such a small spot, I really dont see there being much variation among the locale. The wc photos I see alot of these Europeans posting (photos actually taken In nosy faly), most of the chams are still blue. Ive seen some green ones photographed too, but with the red speckling, not friggin red barring. Im not to thrilled by what I have seen lately for a couple reasons. First, the Falys people were receiving awhile ago (before the OOOoo Faly hype we have now) were you signature faly look and really the only color variant any one had seen of that locale. Second, ive seen some nasty ass nosy bes come in looking like what Ive seen around here called "faly". Importers know "falys" bring good money, and im sure if one receives a box of unlabeled wc panthers that look green with alot of red barring/speckling, most importers would call them faly to bring in the bigger bucks, unless this is a respectable importer. Like I said Im no faly expert, but the general public has known to love the blue and white look with the red speckling, and now that people are buying these panthers for the name now days, its not about keeping the original look of the locale. People see nosy faly and think blue and white panther with red specks but call me crazy, if these animals (whats around now as "faly") had originally came in for the first time called nosy faly, I don't think they would have taken off...

 

[sageghost]

Great questions, and beautiful falys sage


I would also like to know if there is some sort of barrier there or not. Im no nosy faly expert, nor have I ever been to Madagascar, so I would really like to know. Its such a small spot, I really dont see there being much variation among the locale. The wc photos I see alot of these Europeans posting (photos actually taken In nosy faly), most of the chams are still blue. Ive seen some green ones photographed too, but with the red speckling, not friggin red barring. Im not to thrilled by what I have seen lately for a couple reasons. First, the Falys people were receiving awhile ago (before the OOOoo Faly hype we have now) were you signature faly look and really the only color variant any one had seen of that locale. Second, ive seen some nasty ass nosy bes come in looking like what Ive seen around here called "faly". Importers know "falys" bring good money, and im sure if one receives a box of unlabeled wc panthers that look green with alot of red barring/speckling, most importers would call them faly to bring in the bigger bucks, unless this is a respectable importer. Like I said Im no faly expert, but the general public has known to love the blue and white look with the red speckling, and now that people are buying these panthers for the name now days, its not about keeping the original look of the locale. People see nosy faly and think blue and white panther with red specks but call me crazy, if these animals (whats around now as "faly") had originally came in for the first time called nosy faly, I don't think they would have taken off...

I agree 100%. Personally, it was the "Original Faly Coloration" that I saw that drew me into desiring to work with this locale/color morph. Everyone knows the Falys that Vince shows on his project page or Pams Triton.

I seek to have Falys that display a high white background, the crimson speckles and blue/turq barring. That, to me, is what I vision when I hear Nosy Faly. Which will eventually pose to be difficult to maintain with the limited amount of bloodlines available.

I begin to wonder though, the hype of Nosy Faly (which I was and still am victim too.......to me they are simply beautiful.) has gone far beyond desiring the Color Morph of the locale and just wanting something that can be claimed to be called a Nosy Faly. It was the Color that drew me in well before I knew about the rarity.

Which puts me to back to wondering if other locales were transplanted. For whatever reasons, maybe for tourism (is tourism on Nosy Faly a major thing?), or someone from Nosy Faly wandered around Ambilobe and liked what they saw and took some home and let them go so they would have variation. Maybe they hate blue. Who knows.

All of a sudden these varying colorations appear. Maybe they are around more populated areas and easier to collect, hence the island geography question......

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

Sage,

Good looking Faly you got there. It is my understanding that at some places there is only about 1,200 feet of very shallow water that separates the island of Nosy Faly from the mainlands (which would be the Ambato Peninsula). The main characteristic of Ambato is their ability to fire up with white backgrounds but they don't have the red speckling. They tend to have more blue barring but can occasionally have predominantly red barring the closer they are to Ambanja. Also something that is interesting is that Nosy Be is less than 10 miles west/southwest. And this is interesting because any breeder knows that when you mix a Nosy Be with anything you get red background specking...hence many of our "blue body red bar" Ambilobe originate (not all because I have seen some wc but they don't have red specking as a background color, just more solid red to red/orange backgound). But not to diverge, chameleons from Nosy Be tend to show red specking as a background color if they show background color at all.

Well, the fact of the matter is Nosy Faly have become popular in the US because of the chameleons Pam and Vince have produced. All the offspring have looked very similar (odd isn't it, to think if you breed animals that came in the same shipment, produce offspring that appear the same). They have blue to aqua bars on a white background with red specking. Because of this look coupled with the rarity of this look, Nosy Faly are in high demand and bring a high dollar. Now, I don't care what you want to call them, you can call them "BBWBRS" Blue Bars on White Background with Red Speckling for all I care. But we need to keep these seperate, because all you that have these green ones with no white are only trying to justify them as "Nosy Faly" to sell offspring as "Nosy Faly." I have two bloodlines and I will need to introduce new blood down the line and I sure don't want this green stuff no matter what you call it and no matter what "gene" you think it has. How come none of vince's or pam's offspring aren't green? Did there's not carry the same genes?

My thoughts about panther locales in general is that at one point in time people could have kept everything separate, every look (blue on yellow, red on yellow, red speckling on blue bar, orange background blue bar...etc) We could have kept things separate, but we didn't and that is why we say that we don't know what ours will produce...yea because many of "us" haven't seen the shipment that the parents came in on or the siblings of some of our females. And yes they could overlap in the wild, but breeding them to chameleons in like shipments would make the common traits predominant. So, if I were to breed anything but WC or CH right now in the US I would name them by color, not locale, we have gotten to the point of not even knowing what a locale will produce...isn't that why people gave names to looks...aka locales. I mean, this is ridiculous and not until people really take time to look at entire shipments of chameleons from same locale (the best shipments only contain one locale) and start classifying them together should we ever even think that we can truly call our locales what they are. Because, like with other animal breeds, they can show a trait of one parent and yet possess and pass the trait of the other parent.

~chris

 

[ColorCham427]

Sage,

Good looking Faly you got there. It is my understanding that at some places there is only about 1,200 feet of very shallow water that separates the island of Nosy Faly from the mainlands (which would be the Ambato Peninsula). The main characteristic of Ambato is their ability to fire up with white backgrounds but they don't have the red speckling. They tend to have more blue barring but can occasionally have predominantly red barring the closer they are to Ambanja. Also something that is interesting is that Nosy Be is less than 10 miles west/southwest. And this is interesting because any breeder knows that when you mix a Nosy Be with anything you get red background specking...hence many of our "blue body red bar" Ambilobe originate (not all because I have seen some wc but they don't have red specking as a background color, just more solid red to red/orange backgound). But not to diverge, chameleons from Nosy Be tend to show red specking as a background color if they show background color at all.

Well, the fact of the matter is Nosy Faly have become popular in the US because of the chameleons Pam and Vince have produced. All the offspring have looked very similar (odd isn't it, to think if you breed animals that came in the same shipment, produce offspring that appear the same). They have blue to aqua bars on a white background with red specking. Because of this look coupled with the rarity of this look, Nosy Faly are in high demand and bring a high dollar. Now, I don't care what you want to call them, you can call them "BBWBRS" Blue Bars on White Background with Red Speckling for all I care. But we need to keep these seperate, because all you that have these green ones with no white are only trying to justify them as "Nosy Faly" to sell offspring as "Nosy Faly." I have two bloodlines and I will need to introduce new blood down the line and I sure don't want this green stuff no matter what you call it and no matter what "gene" you think it has. How come none of vince's or pam's offspring aren't green? Did there's not carry the same genes?

My thoughts about panther locales in general is that at one point in time people could have kept everything separate, every look (blue on yellow, red on yellow, red speckling on blue bar, orange background blue bar...etc) We could have kept things separate, but we didn't and that is why we say that we don't know what ours will produce...yea because many of "us" haven't seen the shipment that the parents came in on or the siblings of some of our females. And yes they could overlap in the wild, but breeding them to chameleons in like shipments would make the common traits predominant. So, if I were to breed anything but WC or CH right now in the US I would name them by color, not locale, we have gotten to the point of not even knowing what a locale will produce...isn't that why people gave names to looks...aka locales. I mean, this is ridiculous and not until people really take time to look at entire shipments of chameleons from same locale (the best shipments only contain one locale) and start classifying them together should we ever even think that we can truly call our locales what they are. Because, like with other animal breeds, they can show a trait of one parent and yet possess and pass the trait of the other parent.

~chris

Chris "BB" Carter lol... thank u for posting this... Sage, again, awesome N. Faly, and Nico, thanks for words u brought here too!

The cause of me bringing this up was specifically to keep these "green gene" Falys away from the original ones that we were all caught up in to gazing at on Vin's project page as well as the others who were lucky enough to get to buy some from him.

I am sure this will begin making more sense to others who don't own any, yet, and who are planning on purchasing one+ in the future.

I can't wait to see the upcoming shipment of the Nosy Faly!!! still waiting lol.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Lol i was reading all the posts for a while but nows its just TOO BIG lol so when this thread is over and dead some one fill me in on the group consensus!

 

[TreelionsUK]

Its human nature i guess to want the best looking animals,i think that faly looks great and adds a different flavor to the mix.

Its really odd that if people see something a little bit different,and don't like it that they challenge it,Not every person in the world is considered good looking,but its human nature to seek the best looking.

BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER!!!

reyesjoshuacruz What model crystal ball do you have mate??is it still under warranty??Might need that looking at

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

Its human nature i guess to want the best looking animals,i think that faly looks great and adds a different flavor to the mix.


BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER!!!

reyesjoshuacruz What model crystal ball do you have mate??is it still under warranty??Might need that looking at

now that i think about it i did get it on sale...... hey i dont mean to come off like that though.
look in reality you and I can speak with the same degree of credibility on this subject. Everything we say is speculation, you have no facts to back up your gut feelings nor do i. Ill go on the record and say im far from being an authority im just trying to think logically.

Its really odd that if people see something a little bit different,and don't like it that they challenge it,Not every person in the world is considered good looking,but its human nature to seek the best looking.

treelions, everyone on this thread said they liked this "green faly ".

I didnt see anyone challenging the locale because they didnt like it, that would be pretty sad if we came to that point though

 

[redtom123]

During my time on Nosy faly I saw Panther males more blue then green,
but never I saw them with stripes http://www.pantherchameleon.de/?q=node/78/!
All the males on the island have the "red rain" speckles.
When you leave the island down to Ambanja the stripes become more and more http://www.pantherchameleon.de/?q=node/84/.
Sometimes mistakes are possible when people deal with animals.
Take a look what I saw in a trading point on Madagascar .
Now you know everything is possible!!
kind regards

 

[ciafardo 4]

during my time on nosy faly i saw panther males more blue then green,
but never i saw them with stripes http://www.pantherchameleon.de/?q=node/78/!
All the males on the island have the "red rain" speckles.
When you leave the island down to ambanja the stripes become more and more http://www.pantherchameleon.de/?q=node/84/.
Sometimes mistakes are possible when people deal with animals.
Take a look what i saw in a trading point on madagascar .
Now you know everything is possible!!
Kind regards

great work tom showing what none of us would ever see!

 

[Dean Pulcini]

Wow that clears things up for me you were there and didn't see any green males on N.faly. I would assume that the green must be another locale. I cant believe the way they treat those chameleons. You would think they would take care of them better considering they are a source of income. Look how dark they are from stressing each other out what a shame.

Dean

 

[DJnSoCal]

Here is another Nosy Faly from the Tiki Tiki WC order. He has been lightening up and showing more white every day. He was dark green and a little on the ugly side when we first received him (about two weeks ago) from being shipped around. Other than the green, which seems to be disappearing, he looks typical "Falyesque" from all of the pictures I've compared. I think he has some potential...

 

[Dean Pulcini]

That's very odd mine never shows any green he's blue all of the time.

 

[sageghost]

RedTom, thanks for sharing. That has answered some of my questions.

Like Dean said, my Falys never shown any green either, they are blue all the time too.

 

[ColorCham427]

Dean, how are the baby Faly doing? That mouth shot is shhwwwweeeeeeeet!!!!

Dj, I would really appreciate it, if you could post some more pictures of your Faly in the next few weeks or so. Try to get a picture of him dead asleep, and really pissed. please?

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

thanks redtom, and kent for pming him.

this just makes me sad though im pretty sure it made me sick to my stomach. its just sad knowing the lines are going to become tainted and theres no stopping it . regardless of a few breeders who strive for the purest lines we can maintain, its going to happen just like all the other locales....

 

[DJnSoCal]

Dj, I would really appreciate it, if you could post some more pictures of your Faly in the next few weeks or so. Try to get a picture of him dead asleep, and really pissed. please?

Sure! I want to give him some more time to relax and settle in before I judge him too much. He is currently on some medications for his paracites and I'm keeping an eye on his mouth (small blemish inside that is okay, but Dr. Greek wants me to keep an eye on). Aren't WC's fun?!

It's amazing how much his color has changed. I've seen him much whiter than today. I zoomed in on his scales and there is much more blue and white there. Hopefully he will do better with age and after a few sheds.

 

[Kent67]

A while ago I had an opportunity to buy this cham. What do you guys think?
By the way, this is not my photo and I would give credit if I knew who it actually belonged to.

 

[Rocky]

Kent, does he still look like that? He looks like some of the washed out wild caughts that I have seen. That definitely has the red spots that you see in the faly though.

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

kent i see red bars, not spots. what did you think, or well i mean you didnt get him, so why did you decide to not purchase?

Dont some nosy be's come in green and slowly change to blue?

 

[CleanLineChameleons]

I propose a seperation. All animals that come through Vince's exporter (ie. Pam or Vince's bloodlines) will be called Oorena Mena...I don't care where they come from. Other ones that honestly look like poopeebees to me (my opinion) can be called Nosy Faly...I don't care, I just don't want poopeebee bloodlines sold to me as Oorena Mena...you can pay what you want for them, I want a certain look and I don't feel the new stuff "might" carry the trait I want and I have formally thought of as Nosy Faly (I now call Oorena Mena)

Also, I have seen Nosy Be that come in with almost red background many times...so the red speckling stuff means very little to me. Honestly I see difference in the amount of white. All the new stuff that came in has had little to no white, they are different so I will call them something different.

-chris