Nosy Faly

[GooglezNvincent]

here are pictures of some N. Faly that have been around for a decent amount of time.

they all dont seem to share the exact shade of green----blue content. but by looking at the pattern, thats where it makes the most sense to me.

red speckles, white around the lower facial area... etc. u can see it.. its obvious

NO WAY! I GOT MY MALE FROM PAM and you got your first picture rom Pam! THATS TIGHT! i hope my boy will turn out like him. My boy is about 2-3 months and hes already showing blue with red and gray background, gray turns to white later on.

 

[kylerenz]

White Knight

I originally though what separated Faly was the ability to throw the white background with some red speckling. Honestly the white is what gets me, show me any chameleon with a white background, I will take him, I don't care what locale you call it. Just my opinion.

p.s. the one in the ad Mark Lucas has is a WC Nosy Be I believe.

-Chris

I had an Ambanja from Vincent's Gavan line that threw crazy whites when he was getting it on with his lady friend. He looked like a Faly before I even knew what a Faly was.

 

[Rocky]

I'm not saying it's a complete guessing game on the looks, however we all know that one locale does not have "1 look" (zoolander reference ) Ambanjas can have blue / red bars and light blue / green back grounds, Ambilobes have red / blue bars, Nosy Be have "true blue" and then have some red in them, etc. etc. I don't think we should be calling an importer / exporter a liar because we think the locale looks different. Why can't you just call it a green phase Nosy Faly and quit complaining? I don't see people complain when they call their blue / blue ambanjas an ambanja (even though noone can show a WC or one in the wild that looks like that).

Also, I can see a little green in all of thost Nosy Faly pictures posted from Screameleons.

 

[Kent67]

Well said, Rocky. I'm still trying to figure out how the excellent collectors, middle-men, exporters, and importers know how to end up with ONLY the blue-phase females from that one tiny island.

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

Ambanjas can have blue / red bars and light blue / green back grounds, Ambilobes have red / blue bars, Nosy Be have "true blue" and then have some red in them, etc. etc.

What are you basing this on? first hand knowledge...have you been to ambanja? ambilobes, or nosy be?

or are you basing it on second hand information, begot from second hand information.

you are right, im not saying your not, there is variation within a locale. But for the most part " locale " definitions are a dotted crooked line.

I don't think we should be calling an importer / exporter a liar because we think the locale looks different.

rocky..."looks different "? how do we tell the difference between nosy be and misito?......looks right? they look different ( that and importer/exporters/collectors word ) So i wouldnt throw the fact that they look different in this to disqualify his point....thats what were are going off of here....looks.


collectors, importers, exporters........ they all stand to make money..........money makes people do things....i swallowed a gold fish for money once....dont put it passed someone in another country with a living to earn to lie for money....... a very easy lie.

I think it would be naive and irresponsible to not question something like this.
parsons were once thrown in pardalis shipments to fill the order when there werent enough pardalis to fill it.

i dont think we should give these people we know nothing about, in a different country the ben of the doubt.... maybe the exporter was told nosy faly when they were nosy be and that was that untill they get to your front door.

but the collector, id be pretty hard to mistake what island you're on.

Why can't you just call it a green phase Nosy Faly and quit complaining?

what? this is an expensive tree lizard we are talking about..... wouldnt you care to know the true " locale " of a cham if you paid top dollar for it?

if not i have a bunch of nosy falys i can sell you at the incredible price of nosy be's

I don't see people complain when they call their blue / blue ambanjas an ambanja (even though noone can show a WC or one in the wild that looks like that).

im confused doesnt this contradict your above statement about color variation within a locale?

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

Well said, Rocky. I'm still trying to figure out how the excellent collectors, middle-men, exporters, and importers know how to end up with ONLY the blue-phase females from that one tiny island.

kent you know the answer to that, they dont, know one does... thats why its best to purchase from shipments where all the males are as close as can be. the best we can hope for is a greater chance that if the collector produces males that are as close as can they can get, that the females that were hopefully collected in the same are, are as predictable as can get

 

[Kent67]

Josh, that totally makes sense with most pardalis locales, but imo, in this case it is different because of how physically small the island is. If all of these animals are actually from that island, then I have to assume the green and blue variations are just like Nosy Be where they're all one population with changes in the frequency of blue animals. Especially since Nosy Faly appears to be about 2-3 miles wide and 1/10 the size of Nosy Be. I just don't see how there could be two different populations.

I'm going to send a pm to RedTom and see if he'll post something here about the animals he's seen while on Nosy Faly.

 

[Rocky]

1. I have not been to madagascar but I have seen many pictures people have taken and posted from the areas. And there are huge traits in differences.

2. I really don't understand why everyone here is discrediting this chameleon. If someone comes out and says that they have been to Nosy Faly and never saw a male that looked like that I will take his word. We are discrediting a chameleon because he doesn't look the same as what everyone here is used to seeing. There are variations in every locale. Noone says a blue / blue ambanja isn't an ambanja yet it is a brand new look for that locale.

3. I was complaining about the b/b ambanjas. I was stating that noone complains about this "new look" for the ambanjas, but now its a huge deal with the Faly's.


-All in all, I think it is ridiculous that everyone here is saying that it's not a Nosy Faly when they have never been to the island. As most laws state, innocent until proven guilty. So if someone has been through that island and says they have never seen a chameleon that resembles Chad's Faly I will change my views.

 

[ChameleonAyer]

Everyone needs to take a step back. Chad just wanted to show everyone his Faly (a very pretty one imo), and it seems as though some of you are trying to discredit his pet. If you don't like it, keep your comments to yourself. You know that golden rule... If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you have studied biology and genes you know that there will always be a variation to any species/locale. Just b/c you look like you could be the milkman's baby, doesn't mean that you are. This isn't a for sale ad, it is a thread to show off Chad and Darci's BEAUTIFUL CHAM!!

-Amanda

 

[Fidel]

Everyone needs to take a step back. Chad just wanted to show everyone his Faly (a very pretty one imo), and it seems as though some of you are trying to discredit his pet. If you don't like it, keep your comments to yourself. You know that golden rule... If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you have studied biology and genes you know that there will always be a variation to any species/locale. Just b/c you look like you could be the milkman's baby, doesn't mean that you are. This isn't a for sale ad, it is a thread to show off Chad and Darci's BEAUTIFUL CHAM!!

-Amanda

No. This thread was split from Chads original thread in order to discuss Nosy Faly. That's why this thread is now called Nosy Faly, under General Discussion. This is an important discussion to have considering we are talking about a $600+ investment that serious breeders are putting a lot of time and effort into.

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

No. This thread was split from Chads original thread in order to discuss Nosy Faly. That's why this thread is now called Nosy Faly, under General Discussion. This is an important discussion to have considering we are talking about a $600+ investment that serious breeders are putting a lot of time and effort into.

thank you, well said

 

[TreelionsUK]

i think when it comes to genes an egg can produce anything. Just because you mix a blue bared with a red bared doesn't mean you are getting a purple bared. We aren't messing with paint, we are messing with genes. Do you really think that a female that has a blue bared dad in the wild will only mate with a blue bared male in the wild? I'm sure most clutches come out with babies that have a variety of different features.

We also don't know for a fact that these faly's that everyone else is breeding hasn't produced genes that have some that look completely different from the dad.

bingo!! i think your correct rocky! everyone seems to think these animals will be carbon copys of the parents they are bred from and they just wont be.
There is quite a bit of variation within babies hatched from the same clutch.Many breeders hold back the best looking babies so they can breed with them later on

I think that there are Far too many locale snobs out there!

 

[ChameleonAyer]

Sorry my mistake! I just don't think people should discuss things without proof. I've studied genetics and biology and could not say that there is no way that a green variation of Nosy Faly couldn't exist in the wild. If you can show me proof that there is no possible way they could exist, then I'd concede. There are always going to be variations. And, I don't have to go to Madagascar to tell you that. It is simple science.

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

I think when it comes to genes an egg can produce anything. Just because you mix a blue bared with a red bared doesn't mean you are getting a purple bared. We aren't messing with paint, we are messing with genes. Do you really think that a female that has a blue bared dad in the wild will only mate with a blue bared male in the wild? I'm sure most clutches come out with babies that have a variety of different features.

We also don't know for a fact that these faly's that everyone else is breeding hasn't produced genes that have some that look completely different from the dad.

bingo!!!:d

Sorry my mistake! I just don't think people should discuss things without proof. I've studied genetics and biology and could not say that there is no way that a green variation of Nosy Faly couldn't exist in the wild. If you can show me proof that there is no possible way they could exist, then I'd concede. There are always going to be variations. And, I don't have to go to Madagascar to tell you that. It is simple science.

You guys, you are stating basic long time accepted truths about most locales..

we are not talking about most locales, we are talking about a very isolated, very small location.....your mainland variation logic, or even nosy be variation logic doesnt hold as much merit when discussing this locale.

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

Sorry my mistake! I just don't think people should discuss things without proof. I've studied genetics and biology and could not say that there is no way that a green variation of Nosy Faly couldn't exist in the wild. If you can show me proof that there is no possible way they could exist, then I'd concede. There are always going to be variations. And, I don't have to go to Madagascar to tell you that. It is simple science.

who said there is no way?

 

[TreelionsUK]

You guys, you are stating basic long time accepted truths about most locales..

we are not talking about most locales, we are talking about a very isolated, very small location.....your mainland variation logic, or even nosy be variation logic doesnt hold as much merit when discussing this locale.

pfffft!

 

[davider]

Great looking Faly Chad!

 

[reyesjoshuacruz]

pfffft!

so you think there is going to be comparable variation in this case, with such isolation and small range? do you have anything to support that?

i personally dont see it. Yeah of course it possible, and you really dont have any more of an idea than i do since the last time either of us has been there is NEVER.

and its a good looking cham either way.

I guess the reality is, who is going to pay top dollar for a nosy faly that looks like like a dirty nosy be?

what are we really paying for?
Even if we knew for a fact that it was collected from nosy faly, if it came out looking like a dirty nosy be most likely thats what it will fetch.

 

[ColorCham427]

"I guess the reality is, who is going to pay top dollar for a nosy faly that looks like like a dirty nosy be?"

Not I, thats for sure.

I'll never choose a Nosy Faly thats staind with rusty greens, navy/grey hints under chunky reds.

I am looking more foward to the bright aqua baby blues that radiate nice clean white under beautiful fire engine red speckles.

If the wait is long, it is worth it!

 

[sageghost]

Having purchased many Nosy Falys, I wont buy a Nosy Faly to simply say I have a "Nosy Faly". Its unfortunate, IMO, that some actually do.

Just curious, Having not been to Nosy Faly myself, are there any geographic barriers that would keep a population of chams (even very small) apart from another on the island?

Again out of curiosity, Is there a possibility that other color morphs (locales) have been transplanted INTO Nosy Faly (by people who dont care), thus creating "crosses"? That would be a way to get some wild color variations (depending on the amount of chams transplanted) in a relatively short period of time.

In this thread are pics of a few of the Falys I have. Ive added a few more since then.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/little-faly-ya-20475/index2.html