New Veiled Chameleon with MBD

Toshi

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So I am one of the unlucky few who adopted a chameleon who sadly had been slowly developing MBD. At the time I knew of the disease but I only saw the signs once they got really bad, so upon getting my chameleon I didn't think anything of it.
after about a month my chameleon started getting really defensive. I took this as a sign of shedding and decided to leave her alone. She shed, but still didn't like my hands in the tank and would shake and hiss. Then it got to the point where I would see more and more crickets in her tank left over from the day before. I got worried and fed her less.
One day I noticed that she was getting dehydrated. She wouldn't let me spray water in her mouth so instead I got a dripper and also moved my waterfall from my hermit crabs to my chameleon (after some really good sanitizing and such). Then I noticed that she couldn't keep the crickets in her mouth! And then when she would walk, she would have tremors and would push her body along instead of walking upright. Finally, I decided that I would bring her in to the local vet that also specialized in exotic animals(yay for living in a large city). I did some research and decided that it would probably be the best place to bring her in.
She ended up getting a shot as well as a 14 day dose of medication to give her to help with the MBD. I've had to cut the legs off of her crickets so that she can catch them, and I've started to hand feed her mealworms. she's still having troubles eating even the mealworms, to the point where I have to stop them from crawling out of her mouth.

Today, I was spraying water in her mouth because she hasn't been drinking much on her own, much less moving around her tank. She ended up keeping some in her eye(s), inflating one and then she other with water every so often. I then gave her the medicine, about an hour later. She still puffs her eyes up, mostly just the right eye (if you look at her from the front). I put her in her tank with her UVB light on. She still doesn't like me taking her out of her tank, so I use a soft hand towel that I use only for my pets (mostly for the top of my hermit crab tank to keep in humidity). She will walk and lay on my hands though. She is probably between 5-8 month old... maybe 4 inches long not including her tail. I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do to make things easier for her while she recovers. She sometimes lets her mouth hang open just a bit, sometimes with her tongue poking out after I give her medicine. she still can't walk quite right either. She's had the medicine for about 4 days now. I'm waiting for a new terrarium to arrive, one of those reptibreeze ones(16x16x30). Right now I have the zoomed terrarium (used to be for hermies, 18x18x12).
If anyone has any suggestions on how to help her eat, that would be great!! I have mealworms, possibly going to get smaller crickets, she doesn't seem to like waxworms, and I know I probably gave her too much water... Anyways, thanks a lot for any help!! ;-;
 
Can you please post a pic of her and your current set up? You said the vet gave you medication for the MBD?..did he give her calcium injections? What medication are you giving her now? What about calcium? Are you sure you have a UVB light? Do you have a basking light? What kind of chameleon and are you sure it is a female?
 
She may be gravid. Does she have a place in her cage to lay eggs if she needs to?

It's not a good idea to spray water into her mouhh. She could aspirate it...Take it into her lungs.
 
I wish I could help but I do have one thing to say. I would 100% stop feeding mealworms. They really are no good for reptiles. Instead I recommend you switch to superworms. I know they basically look the same but they are very different. And much much easier to digest.
Good luck with your Cham. I really hope you can get this turned around.
 
^ For the above note, the superworm heads can be squished to make it easier for them to stay in the mouth, if you are still having problems in that area.

I was given carnivore care (a powder you mix with water and feed directly into the mouth 3x a day) while mine was in recovery from some MBD stuff. Its just to keep the strength up, get the vitamins in, etc. I'd talk to your vet about this before just picking it up though, even if it's just a phone call to the office!

Really need more info about you UVB light though - but I'll throw this in there now: if your light is on top of a screen, you need a higher exposure than what most places will tell you. Go for a 10.0 Reptisun UVB for on top of screen, and that will ensure your cham can properly absorb anything you manage to get into her. In my personal opinion, UVB is #1 priority - so spend the money and ensure its right!
 
How was the MBD diagnosed? Many veterinarians unfamiliar with chameleons will assume MBD. Its the what 99% of the reptiles come in for. X-rays are the best way to assess bones and it will also give you an idea about her reproductive cycle. A female not eating may need an egg laying box. Pictures and specific information received from the vet and your husbandry parameters would help. If x-rays were taken post them here.
 
Can you please post a pic of her and your current set up? You said the vet gave you medication for the MBD?..did he give her calcium injections? What medication are you giving her now? What about calcium? Are you sure you have a UVB light? Do you have a basking light? What kind of chameleon and are you sure it is a female?

My vet said she was female because she didn't have the spikes on the back of her feet and she has a small...party hat. Sorry the name just slipped my mind lol. She's a Veiled Chameleon, she did also receive injections, I also have two kinds of powders that I dust on their food: multivitamins and calcium with D3. My light is exoterra tropical reptile UVB 13W, and it's supposed to be changed every 6 months to a year. I do have a red basking light at the moment, but I will probably be getting a black one soon. Her medicine is Calcium Glubionite which I give .1 CC orally every 24 hours. I'll post some pics later today. I'm heading out to the vet in a few minutes...
 
She may be gravid. Does she have a place in her cage to lay eggs if she needs to?

It's not a good idea to spray water into her mouhh. She could aspirate it...Take it into her lungs.

I heard about that so I put coconut fiber on 1/3 of the tank so she can dig and such there...
And okay. I won't do that anymore!
 
I wish I could help but I do have one thing to say. I would 100% stop feeding mealworms. They really are no good for reptiles. Instead I recommend you switch to superworms. I know they basically look the same but they are very different. And much much easier to digest.
Good luck with your Cham. I really hope you can get this turned around.

my vet suggested that as well, but I'm just worried because when I looked at them, they seemed way too big for her...
 
^ For the above note, the superworm heads can be squished to make it easier for them to stay in the mouth, if you are still having problems in that area.

I was given carnivore care (a powder you mix with water and feed directly into the mouth 3x a day) while mine was in recovery from some MBD stuff. Its just to keep the strength up, get the vitamins in, etc. I'd talk to your vet about this before just picking it up though, even if it's just a phone call to the office!

Really need more info about you UVB light though - but I'll throw this in there now: if your light is on top of a screen, you need a higher exposure than what most places will tell you. Go for a 10.0 Reptisun UVB for on top of screen, and that will ensure your cham can properly absorb anything you manage to get into her. In my personal opinion, UVB is #1 priority - so spend the money and ensure its right!

oh I never thought of that!! Squishing the heads might be a really good idea!
Actually I was talking to a friend at work (who has a crested gecko) and she told me something like that. She said she had a fruit powder you mixed in water and gave them to help her their vitamins. I figured there would be something similar for insectivores, but now I know for sure. I'll definitely ask~
Also, again, my light is ExoTerra Tropical UVB (100) 13W
 
How was the MBD diagnosed? Many veterinarians unfamiliar with chameleons will assume MBD. Its the what 99% of the reptiles come in for. X-rays are the best way to assess bones and it will also give you an idea about her reproductive cycle. A female not eating may need an egg laying box. Pictures and specific information received from the vet and your husbandry parameters would help. If x-rays were taken post them here.

the vet did a physical on her. He felt her jaw, looked at her legs, and felt her under side (I'm guessing for the egg binding issue?) He told me that if she wasn't better by today than to call and they would either have to do blood work or a more thorough exam to see what else could be wrong. I'll post pics later today.
 
Here's her size
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When her eyes bug out (which is starting to worry me because when it happens they look like they could pop...)
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The OLD tank
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The NEW tank (yay, just got it in today~~)
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A photo from today. she has white crusty stuff around the bridge of her nose. I don't know if it's her shedding or calcium deposit or maybe even mold...? I tried rubbing it but its pretty hard. When she changes colors, it stays white...
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