New Chameleon owner

Tanya77

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I have been wanting a Chameleon for sometime. I had three when I was younger and apparently I was doing things wrong the whole time while caring for them.

They did live for several years without the special things needed to care for them, now they have many, many things on the market for them.

So I decided to give it another go with getting another

I had just purchased a Jackson and bought the cage accessories and all. I read on the internet several websites that said glass aquariums were fine to use - many of those who said so, were Chamy owners themselves and never had problems and that their Chameleons have been in those cages for several months to even years. My problem is I see many conflicting things about cages, some say go with the tall aquariums where they open in front others say go with the screened enclosures!

I have a huge glass aquarium, it's really tall and I decided I was going to try what another person told me, to open the cage a little more to allow more ventilation and prevent bacteria from building as what she did and didn't have not one issue, she recommended getting screening and Velcro and to Velcro the screening to the front outside of the enclosure so, the front was open.

It worked, he isn't able to get out but I then ran into another issue, the temps and humidity doesn't stay where they should! Which told me, there is no way I would go with a completely screened cage because it's been hard to maintain the temps and humidity in the cage as my husband told me it would be a problem. My house gets really cold and I already have one basking light and two UVB bulbs in the enclosure - Do I need to add another basking light, what if I used a normal household light but put it at further distance to warm up the enclosure? I spritz the enclosure down constantly trying to bring the humidity up and it doesn't seem to raise it too much.

Many say buy the misters or just use a spray bottle to bring the humidity up, then I hear the water falls are BAD because the water sits in there, but what's the difference between a water fall and a mister? Both puts water into the cage and they both carry the potential of building bacteria, they do the same but in a different way. "Spike" doesn't believe in lapping up water from the foliage - I had to put a water bottle on top the cage and he crawls up to the top of the cage and walk along the top of the screening and laps it up from the bottle (there is a small hole at the bottom of the bottle). I am thinking he's just picky!

On to the Vitamins - Again, conflicting things saying not to use and others say use! I have Calcium with D3 and I would think they should get the Calcium every day? It' is a reptile and need the Calcium if they don't get it then they get a calcium deficiency and they die. But many are saying use it a few times a month NOT DAILY. I NEED to know is Calcium and D3 combined enough?

Cause I hear they also need Vitamin A! I don't understand reason of them needing all these different things when they don't get them in the wild (Vitamins) other then when they eat. You feed them mostly what they eat in the wild, Crickets, Fly's and so forth. What's different now they are captured? I have tried Meal worms, HE HATES them. Flies, he won't touch. Crickets, he will eat those like there's no tomorrow! I will also add that I do feed my Crickets, Cricket food and Drink cause I was told to gut load them? The cricket food has Vitamins in it, which if the Crickets consume the food and the Chameleon eats the cricket, it's getting those vitamins that the Cricket ate? It say's it has Vitamin E, Vitamin B3, Vitamin D3, Zinc and Calcium in the Cricket food. Is that enough? Or do they need extra
Vitamins? I don't want to over do him if he really doesn't need all that being that the Crickets are gut loaded. What do you all think?

Another question my Chameleon is about 3 months old (Not for sure) but he's a tiny guy. I've been giving him really small crickets, how many a day exactly should he be getting and do I dust with every feeding as I WAS TOLD TO DO SO, I'd think give him as many as he'd eat but heard over feeding them will cause harm? When will I be able to give him the larger adult crickets?


I hope I am not doing a horrible job so far.

Tanya

Need to speak to EXPERIENCED Cammy owners, DESPERATELY!
 
I have been wanting a Chameleon for sometime. I had three when I was younger and apparently I was doing things wrong the whole time while caring for them.

They did live for several years without the special things needed to care for them, now they have many, many things on the market for them.

So I decided to give it another go with getting another

I had just purchased a Jackson and bought the cage accessories and all. I read on the internet several websites that said glass aquariums were fine to use - many of those who said so, were Chamy owners themselves and never had problems and that their Chameleons have been in those cages for several months to even years. My problem is I see many conflicting things about cages, some say go with the tall aquariums where they open in front others say go with the screened enclosures!

I have a huge glass aquarium, it's really tall and I decided I was going to try what another person told me, to open the cage a little more to allow more ventilation and prevent bacteria from building as what she did and didn't have not one issue, she recommended getting screening and Velcro and to Velcro the screening to the front outside of the enclosure so, the front was open.

It worked, he isn't able to get out but I then ran into another issue, the temps and humidity doesn't stay where they should! Which told me, there is no way I would go with a completely screened cage because it's been hard to maintain the temps and humidity in the cage as my husband told me it would be a problem. My house gets really cold and I already have one basking light and two UVB bulbs in the enclosure - Do I need to add another basking light, what if I used a normal household light but put it at further distance to warm up the enclosure? I spritz the enclosure down constantly trying to bring the humidity up and it doesn't seem to raise it too much.

Many say buy the misters or just use a spray bottle to bring the humidity up, then I hear the water falls are BAD because the water sits in there, but what's the difference between a water fall and a mister? Both puts water into the cage and they both carry the potential of building bacteria, they do the same but in a different way. "Spike" doesn't believe in lapping up water from the foliage - I had to put a water bottle on top the cage and he crawls up to the top of the cage and walk along the top of the screening and laps it up from the bottle (there is a small hole at the bottom of the bottle). I am thinking he's just picky!

On to the Vitamins - Again, conflicting things saying not to use and others say use! I have Calcium with D3 and I would think they should get the Calcium every day? It' is a reptile and need the Calcium if they don't get it then they get a calcium deficiency and they die. But many are saying use it a few times a month NOT DAILY. I NEED to know is Calcium and D3 combined enough?

Cause I hear they also need Vitamin A! I don't understand reason of them needing all these different things when they don't get them in the wild (Vitamins) other then when they eat. You feed them mostly what they eat in the wild, Crickets, Fly's and so forth. What's different now they are captured? I have tried Meal worms, HE HATES them. Flies, he won't touch. Crickets, he will eat those like there's no tomorrow! I will also add that I do feed my Crickets, Cricket food and Drink cause I was told to gut load them? The cricket food has Vitamins in it, which if the Crickets consume the food and the Chameleon eats the cricket, it's getting those vitamins that the Cricket ate? It say's it has Vitamin E, Vitamin B3, Vitamin D3, Zinc and Calcium in the Cricket food. Is that enough? Or do they need extra
Vitamins? I don't want to over do him if he really doesn't need all that being that the Crickets are gut loaded. What do you all think?

Another question my Chameleon is about 3 months old (Not for sure) but he's a tiny guy. I've been giving him really small crickets, how many a day exactly should he be getting and do I dust with every feeding as I WAS TOLD TO DO SO, I'd think give him as many as he'd eat but heard over feeding them will cause harm? When will I be able to give him the larger adult crickets?


I hope I am not doing a horrible job so far.

Tanya

Need to speak to EXPERIENCED Cammy owners, DESPERATELY!


Breakdown on the differant calciums. You should provide calcium WITHOUT d3 every feeding, but most stores dont carry it so you have to order it online. You give it with d3 twice a month, and multivitamin (rep-cal herptivite) twice a month. Hope this helps with that! As with the crickets my veiled is two months old and can only eat small, but if you want to see if he can eat larger i would buy a few larger ones, size medium or large, and see if he can eat them. If he can then start buying those, and if he cant stick to small. Thats all i can offer, maybe a more experienced cham owner can chime in. Hope this helps!
 
I don't believe the Jackson's are supplemented like the panthers and veilds, so I am not sure the info you were just given is correct. I do not own Jacksons, but there are plenty of members who do. Try and do a search on a care sheet. There are a couple of members who have posted them and a member named jdog has a video on care which is great. Hoepfully someone will chime in and answer all your questions. Aquariums are really not sufficient housing for any type of chameleon btw.
 
Wow there are tons of questions there!

I'm confused as to the enclosure set up as I am sure most will be, could you clarify or post a pic?

Glass is fine in general if 2 conditions are met:
- Plenty of ventilation to avoid stagnant air (See Exo Terra Terrariums as an example) Most say aquariums are bad because the bottom will become stagnant with no ventilation lower down to create air flow.
- The other condition is that your cham doesn't hate his reflection. Some do which makes glass too stressful for them.

It can be tough to keep the temperatures just right and also keep the enclosure humid while letting it get dry but still keeping the right humidity... welcome to chameleon ownership! ha haa

If it is getting too cold (and be careful of that) you can add more lower wattage bulbs to warm it up. Jackson's like it a bit cooler though so be careful, heat will off them as fast as cold.

Supplementation in the wild is not necessary because they are eating a wide variety of well fed insects and have all the access to natural light they want. Things they don't get in our care...
 
Wow there are tons of questions there!

I'm confused as to the enclosure set up as I am sure most will be, could you clarify or post a pic?

Glass is fine in general if 2 conditions are met:
- Plenty of ventilation to avoid stagnant air (See Exo Terra Terrariums as an example) Most say aquariums are bad because the bottom will become stagnant with no ventilation lower down to create air flow.
- The other condition is that your cham doesn't hate his reflection. Some do which makes glass too stressful for them.

It can be tough to keep the temperatures just right and also keep the enclosure humid while letting it get dry but still keeping the right humidity... welcome to chameleon ownership! ha haa

If it is getting too cold (and be careful of that) you can add more lower wattage bulbs to warm it up. Jackson's like it a bit cooler though so be careful, heat will off them as fast as cold.

Supplementation in the wild is not necessary because they are eating a wide variety of well fed insects and have all the access to natural light they want. Things they don't get in our care...

It is Exo Terra Terrariums - The largest one and has a strip across the front for ventilation and the doors swing open (Doors are also glass). I also have several silk plants in the enclosure with some climbing stuff so he can move about freely. I however don't have any live plants in the enclosure as of right now, I have been checking them out. Do you have an email address to where I can send you a picture of what the enclosure looks like and we can go from there on what else I would need?

Thanks everyone for replying! :)
 
you can post the pic right on here for everyone to critique if you want. Just scroll down to the bottom and click on manage attachments. You can down load your pic right there. Watch jdog's video. It is a great one on keeping Jacksons
 
It is Exo Terra Terrariums - The largest one and has a strip across the front for ventilation and the doors swing open (Doors are also glass). I also have several silk plants in the enclosure with some climbing stuff so he can move about freely. I however don't have any live plants in the enclosure as of right now, I have been checking them out. Do you have an email address to where I can send you a picture of what the enclosure looks like and we can go from there on what else I would need?

Thanks everyone for replying! :)

Take the screen off and close the front door, the largest Exo Terra is fine (some would say perfect) for a Jackson's as long as you don't let it get too hot in there. I don't need a pic I now know what you have :)

The best thing you could do now would be to add live plants. Keep the temps as mentioned in Hoj's blog and have fun!

There will probably still be quite a few more tweaks you find from playing around here though...
 
Take the screen off and close the front door, the largest Exo Terra is fine (some would say perfect) for a Jackson's as long as you don't let it get too hot in there. I don't need a pic I now know what you have :)

The best thing you could do now would be to add live plants. Keep the temps as mentioned in Hoj's blog and have fun!

There will probably still be quite a few more tweaks you find from playing around here though...

Awesome! I just took the screen off and closed the doors! I am going to be adding more foliage to the sides of the enclosure (the suction cup kind) so it's covered, I don't believe his reflection bothers him, he doesn't bob or act aggressive towards it but just to make it look more tropic and just in case, browsing real plants now! I have been looking for the perfect size and kind with very little luck. My husband keeps saying get one from Walmart but I don't think that's good because of the soil/parasites and such. Thank you!!
 
https://www.chameleonforums.com/plants/

I have the top 4 plant species on that list (They are in order of some rating system I happen to agree with apparently)

I look for plants that aren't bug ridden of filthy looking, re-pot them in 100% organic soil that doesn't have pearlite or big chunks of anything in it (Just in case a cham accidentally picks something up when going for a feeder and gets impacted) also wash them really well. I would use diluted dawn dish soap because it is the least toxic dish soap I can think of. This is to remove any pesticides. If you get a hibiscus this will ruin the flowers but you can wash it and leave it outside to flower then move it in the enclosure.

Also a tip on the Exo Terra: Wipe down the bottom ALL the time because you don't want water to collect live plants will help there too. Ideally you want to get a drain drilled in the bottom but that is a ton of work and why I use screen cages.
 
Pictures of Spike and Terrarium!

This is what I have so far... Still need to get more foliage and a live plant, just not sure what type of plant yet.........
 

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https://www.chameleonforums.com/plants/

I have the top 4 plant species on that list (They are in order of some rating system I happen to agree with apparently)

I look for plants that aren't bug ridden of filthy looking, re-pot them in 100% organic soil that doesn't have pearlite or big chunks of anything in it (Just in case a cham accidentally picks something up when going for a feeder and gets impacted) also wash them really well. I would use diluted dawn dish soap because it is the least toxic dish soap I can think of. This is to remove any pesticides. If you get a hibiscus this will ruin the flowers but you can wash it and leave it outside to flower then move it in the enclosure.

Also a tip on the Exo Terra: Wipe down the bottom ALL the time because you don't want water to collect live plants will help there too. Ideally you want to get a drain drilled in the bottom but that is a ton of work and why I use screen cages.

Thanks, I will remember that when plant shopping! You all don't know how you've helped me! Your truly life savers! This is a great site happy I registered with it, very knowledgeable people I did learn from the video the other person posted, Jacksons are harder to maintain because they need cooler tempts and not so hot as the Pathers and Veileds do! I really didn't think there wasn't any bit of difference - I thought all Chameleons were the same and needed same...
 
Hello Tanya, I am a fairly experience cham keeper, maybe i can help. If you count babies, I have had several hundred chams. Also a fair number of different species. I have had jacksons and enjoyed then. One by one here are my thoughts.



I have been wanting a Chameleon for sometime. I had three when I was younger and apparently I was doing things wrong the whole time while caring for them.

They did live for several years without the special things needed to care for them, now they have many, many things on the market for them.

So I decided to give it another go with getting another

I had just purchased a Jackson and bought the cage accessories and all. I read on the internet several websites that said glass aquariums were fine to use - many of those who said so, were Chamy owners themselves and never had problems and that their Chameleons have been in those cages for several months to even years. My problem is I see many conflicting things about cages, some say go with the tall aquariums where they open in front others say go with the screened enclosures!

The discussion on screen vs glass it an ongoing debate. i have used both. For most chams I go with screen. But when you talk about glass you are talking about terrariums. Those have vents to allow air flow and a aquariums don't have the needed air movement so are not able to meet the needs of a chameleon.

Ok here is where it gets fun. People like me use screen cages because it allows a lot more airflow. Then most of us cover at least 2 if not 3 sides to keep the humidity in. I still personally use screen, but for me the deciding factors are size, weight and drainage. Screen cages win on all three of those. They also win on cost and portability. I use a misting system and my chams are misted for a total of 15 minutes a day. That would flood a terrarium. Also you can order a cage from our sponsors for $100 for a very large nice cage, bigger than a jackson would have to have. Same cage in glass $250 at least. For a jacksons I used a 18 x 18 x 36 screen cage. Buy the drip pan, put a 5 gal bucket under it and drainage in done. Bottom line for me is screen is easy to clean, and maintain.


I have a huge glass aquarium, it's really tall and I decided I was going to try what another person told me, to open the cage a little more to allow more ventilation and prevent bacteria from building as what she did and didn't have not one issue, she recommended getting screening and Velcro and to Velcro the screening to the front outside of the enclosure so, the front was open.

It worked, he isn't able to get out but I then ran into another issue, the temps and humidity doesn't stay where they should! Which told me, there is no way I would go with a completely screened cage because it's been hard to maintain the temps and humidity in the cage as my husband told me it would be a problem. My house gets really cold and I already have one basking light and two UVB bulbs in the enclosure - Do I need to add another basking light, what if I used a normal household light but put it at further distance to warm up the enclosure? I spritz the enclosure down constantly trying to bring the humidity up and it doesn't seem to raise it too much.

Let's talk about why you have problems with humidity.The best thing to help with humidity is live plants, ficus or umbrella trees or even pothos plants are good. The difference between a waterfall and misting is the goal of misting is to offer your cham a drink and up the humidity. What the goal is not is to have standing water that your cham may poop in, crickets die in the water, you get the idea. The method you are using for Spike to drink is called a dripper to all of us. Most of us provide them for our chams. I have 1 gallon milk jugs that sit on the shelf above my chams and drips most of the day. I buy the little valves for fish tanks to control the amount dripping. I also make sure the dripper goes into one of the live plants.

Many say buy the misters or just use a spray bottle to bring the humidity up, then I hear the water falls are BAD because the water sits in there, but what's the difference between a water fall and a mister? Both puts water into the cage and they both carry the potential of building bacteria, they do the same but in a different way. "Spike" doesn't believe in lapping up water from the foliage - I had to put a water bottle on top the cage and he crawls up to the top of the cage and walk along the top of the screening and laps it up from the bottle (there is a small hole at the bottom of the bottle). I am thinking he's just picky!

On to the Vitamins - Again, conflicting things saying not to use and others say use! I have Calcium with D3 and I would think they should get the Calcium every day? It' is a reptile and need the Calcium if they don't get it then they get a calcium deficiency and they die. But many are saying use it a few times a month NOT DAILY. I NEED to know is Calcium and D3 combined enough?

Cause I hear they also need Vitamin A! I don't understand reason of them needing all these different things when they don't get them in the wild (Vitamins) other then when they eat. You feed them mostly what they eat in the wild, Crickets, Fly's and so forth. What's different now they are captured? I have tried Meal worms, HE HATES them. Flies, he won't touch. Crickets, he will eat those like there's no tomorrow! I will also add that I do feed my Crickets, Cricket food and Drink cause I was told to gut load them? The cricket food has Vitamins in it, which if the Crickets consume the food and the Chameleon eats the cricket, it's getting those vitamins that the Cricket ate? It say's it has Vitamin E, Vitamin B3, Vitamin D3, Zinc and Calcium in the Cricket food. Is that enough? Or do they need extra
Vitamins? I don't want to over do him if he really doesn't need all that being that the Crickets are gut loaded. What do you all think?

First let me tell you it is really easy to over supplement a jackson. I would never use the regiment so use on other chams for a jackson.
#1 I use a phos - free calcium powder at most once a week. Dust very lightly

#2 You should insects dust once a month with a vitamin powder that contains a beta carotene source of vitamin A to ensure that the chameleon gets some vitamins without overdosing the prEformed vitamin A.

#3 You should insects dust once a month with a phos - free calcium / D3 powder to ensure that the chameleon gets some D3 without overdosing it.
Just remember for a jackson, less it better.


Another question my Chameleon is about 3 months old (Not for sure) but he's a tiny guy. I've been giving him really small crickets, how many a day exactly should he be getting and do I dust with every feeding as I WAS TOLD TO DO SO, I'd think give him as many as he'd eat but heard over feeding them will cause harm? When will I be able to give him the larger adult crickets?

At his age I would let him eat all he wants. I would be careful when upgrading the size of crickets. Rule of thumb is the cricket should fit between the chams eyes. If he gets food that is too big he may choke. Just watch as he grows and every so often give him a couple a size larger. I don't think i ever gave a jackson a full sized cricket. Adult crickets get pretty large.

You are not doing horrible, you care and want the best for your cham or you wouldn't be out here getting answers to questions you have. I hope all this makes sense, it is late and I am tired so i am off to bed. If you have more questions just shoot me a pm/


I hope I am not doing a horrible job so far.

Tanya

Need to speak to EXPERIENCED Cammy owners, DESPERATELY!
 
Here is a good article on the glass / screen debate. I suggest you give it a read it is well worth your time.

http://www.chameleonnews.com/10JulAndersonGlass.html

I still think that given your house is prone to being very cold an exo-terra is a better choice than screen in your case. but Laurie is right it is a pain to keep the water from pooling on the bottom!
 
Hello Tanya, I am a fairly experience cham keeper, maybe i can help. If you count babies, I have had several hundred chams. Also a fair number of different species. I have had jacksons and enjoyed then. One by one here are my thoughts.

Thank you Laurie! :D Much appreciated! I am running out today to get a few things that you and some others have suggested.. I believe he is consuming his calcium as needed because today I noticed white stuff in his poop? It looked to me like Calcium.. :)
 
Here is a good article on the glass / screen debate. I suggest you give it a read it is well worth your time.

http://www.chameleonnews.com/10JulAndersonGlass.html

I still think that given your house is prone to being very cold an exo-terra is a better choice than screen in your case. but Laurie is right it is a pain to keep the water from pooling on the bottom!

Thanks for the link DanSB - Yeah I have learned it is a pain to clean - I was told by a breeder to use something at the bottom like plain white paper towel if I didn't have a mesh cage, he said, just make sure they are removed and changed often due to getting wet and him pooping on it. Which I have been changing it.. He told me that I shouldn't use any type of bedding which originally I did have Cocoanut bedding in it - When Spike ate, he retracted the cocoanut bark in with his food, I panicked of course and took it out of his mouth and immediately took all the bark out. But I found out NOT to put bedding in the enclosure do to them possibly retracting it, swallowing/choking on it and heard its know to cause blockages. I guess this is how we learn? I was told to use cocoanut bark reason I say there is conflicting things on the net, some people say use it others say, avoid! Thanks DanSB!!! :)
 
Thanks for the link DanSB - Yeah I have learned it is a pain to clean - I was told by a breeder to use something at the bottom like plain white paper towel if I didn't have a mesh cage, he said, just make sure they are removed and changed often due to getting wet and him pooping on it. Which I have been changing it.. He told me that I shouldn't use any type of bedding which originally I did have Cocoanut bedding in it - When Spike ate, he retracted the cocoanut bark in with his food, I panicked of course and took it out of his mouth and immediately took all the bark out. But I found out NOT to put bedding in the enclosure do to them possibly retracting it, swallowing/choking on it and heard its know to cause blockages. I guess this is how we learn? I was told to use cocoanut bark reason I say there is conflicting things on the net, some people say use it others say, avoid! Thanks DanSB!!! :)

I've read the substrate (bedding) debate and have conclude that something like eco-earth (finely ground coconut husk) is likely okay along with fine organic soil without and chunks.

Also FYI the white stuff in the poop is called urate (Chameleon pee) and should be like a cap on the end of the brown fecal matter. If it is snow white it means your chameleon is properly hydrated if it is yellow, orange, or some color other than white that can indicate issues (generally dehydration).
 
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