My new CH Nosy Fale male!!!

[Texas Ranger]

O yeah he should look good... One problem with all these ch is how do people know there not inbreeding ? That's why i named my ch hatch line after there mother the medusa ch faly line. Some people with these ch don't even have the mothers anymore they just collected eggs

 

[mychamtini112012]

Hmmm...never thought of it that way. Does inbreeding chams effect them as much as like inbreeding in humans or dogs.? They just get the mothers, collect the eggs, and like sell them or something.?

 

[ecoreef]

Yeah Bruce explained to me for a long time that he couldn't guarentee they were 100% falys but he explained the back story behind them and the odds sounded pretty good. To me the gamble is kinda exciting. If he doesn't turn out to be 100% faly he will probably just end up being one of my pets as I can't see myself raising him up from a baby and then getting rid of him.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I don't know... All i know is i have all my chams and they are still healthy and alive and documented breeding and everything. And as for inbreeding i have heard of bad things happening with chams that are inbred but people can do what they want i will never inbreed...... One thing i have heard from some of my buddies is shorter life span.. I trust my buddies so i will never do it i want all my chams to live forever lol. But this has not been proven just what i believe from friends that have tried.

 

[mychamtini112012]

Ahh..okay. My puppy was inbreeded, it's not good. I would never do that.

Well if he is 100% faly then I'm sure he will be a fantastic looking pet at least.

 

[Texas Ranger]

One thing to remember that i have always been told and taught growing up raising animals documentation is the key to be the best at what you do. There is a big difference in ch and ch documented imo. Ch just means you have a pure locale but do not know who the mother is she could at lest have a code name number or a name. Ch pure documented is real good breeding stock you know the mothers name number or code name and were she still is and if she is still alive or gone and can use this to trake back in your breeding to make sure you are not doing something that is look down upon JMO.it has always made since to me.

 

[mychamtini112012]

That makes sense to me. And documentation is something I completely agree with. Inbreeding is something I never want to mix with. Like I said, personal experience with my dog and she suffers from it. I found that not a lot of people name the females though, so it's hard to get their bloodlines and names to check what the whole bloodline of the animal is. But that is just my own experience so far.

 

[Texas Ranger]

That makes sense to me. And documentation is something I completely agree with. Inbreeding is something I never want to mix with. Like I said, personal experience with my dog and she suffers from it. I found that not a lot of people name the females though, so it's hard to get their bloodlines and names to check what the whole bloodline of the animal is. But that is just my own experience so far.

Screameleons code names there's so they know i name mine and so do some breeders i know. Its all on how good you want to be at what you do.

 

[mychamtini112012]

Hmm...didn't know that. I agree with what you say. I believe you can tell you breeds to make better chams and who breeds just for money.

 

[ecoreef]

I'll try and find out what I can about the dam. I try and document everything I can but I've only started breeding chams within the past year(I've kept them for SEVERAL years). I would never inbreed animals which is why I was actually drawn to the CH babies. Fresh, strong, wild, non-related genetics to bring into the hobby.

 

[clarkrw3]

One thing to remember that i have always been told and taught growing up raising animals documentation is the key to be the best at what you do. There is a big difference in ch and ch documented imo. Ch just means you have a pure locale but do not know who the mother is she could at lest have a code name number or a name. Ch pure documented is real good breeding stock you know the mothers name number or code name and were she still is and if she is still alive or gone and can use this to trake back in your breeding to make sure you are not doing something that is look down upon JMO.it has always made since to me.

I think this is an important thought. I can't tell you how many times I have been told: Yes these are CH so and so! Ok, do you have the female? No, she didn't make it...or I sold her after she layed...or the Dog ate her. So, how do I know they are what you say they are? Well all of these imports were from X so... But they are 1-2mo old and tiny? Well I am telling you that is what they are...right.
It's nice to know that Lee has his female, has re-bread his female. Now you have a lineage. And it's important for the next CB clutch because now we have proof of what this WC female is. I am not talking one or two males from the clutch I am talking the Whole thing. When they are all sold off at 1-2 mo you never know this. Honestly a few might go to active forum members but many will die in the hands of someone that doesn't know how to care for babies. So you will never get that clutch overview as to what stock they really come from and carry.
The difficult part about CH is we all know males are the ones that sell the offspring! They are the ones that people pay extra for because they are hoping to get one that looks like dad. But with CH you have no idea what the sire looks like. It's great because it is new genetic material to work with but... I have a WC male and who knows he could be VERY closely related to some of these CH...they could have been from the same group of trees. No one will ever know!

 

[ecoreef]

I know that Curt from epic chameleons has one of my baby's brothers from Bruce. He's posted some pics in this thread https://www.chameleonforums.com/nosyfaly-update-donald-78349/index2.html

 

[leo]

One thing that I believe is really overlooked at is the fact that there are new "breeders" out there that have just gotten two different lines from other older professional breeders and claim that their offspring are their own lines. I've seen people just buy stablished lines and breed them then they say that they're "new" lines.Many people know which side the sire comes from but not where the dame comes from, meaning that it can lead to inbreeding down the line.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I know that Curt from epic chameleons has one of my baby's brothers from Bruce. He's posted some pics in this thread https://www.chameleonforums.com/nosyfaly-update-donald-78349/index2.html

But are you sure they are brothers or did just 2 clutches hatch from 2 moms? This is were I am talking about documented proven notes taken and pics. I have pics of all mine being layed breed and hatched...

 

[ecoreef]

But are you sure they are brothers or did just 2 clutches hatch from 2 moms? This is were I am talking about documented proven notes taken and pics. I have pics of all mine being layed breed and hatched...

Well I know they both hatched on 12/15 and Bruce from chameleon paradise said that they were brothers. Bruce is a really good guy. Him and I talked for probably an hour on the phone about how this shipment came in and how he got the specimines that he did. Like I said I'm gonna get ahold of him again and try and get more information about them dam.

One thing that I believe is really overlooked at is the fact that there are new "breeders" out there that have just gotten two different lines from other older professional breeders and claim that their offspring are their own lines. I've seen people just buy stablished lines and breed them then they say that they're "new" lines.Many people know which side the sire comes from but not where the dame comes from, meaning that it can lead to inbreeding down the line.

That is exactly why I wanted to get CH. It seems like all the "popular" nosy faly genetics are very closely related in the US and Canada so I wanted some stong genetics from the wild to mix with the more popular phenotypes that have already been bred out in the country.

 

[imcurt]

But are you sure they are brothers or did just 2 clutches hatch from 2 moms? This is were I am talking about documented proven notes taken and pics. I have pics of all mine being layed breed and hatched...

They are indeed brothers! His other clutch of falys were sired by his sire Red rain.Those ones are only 4-5 weeks old.. I scooped one of those up this week to ensure an alpha female prior to bruce listing them. Like they say the early bird gets the worm! (not reccomended for new keepers)

 

[ecoreef]

Here's my boy getting some natural sun today!

 

[Texas Ranger]

They are indeed brothers! His other clutch of falys were sired by his sire Red rain.Those ones are only 4-5 weeks old.. I scooped one of those up this week to ensure an alpha female prior to bruce listing them. Like they say the early bird gets the worm! (not reccomended for new keepers)

Is the female the same from the red rain sire pairing as these ch? Also from my understanding I thought he got a 1.2 from that import dose he give info on witch female they came from or is it just a wc faly female.

 

[drcrossfire]

Is the female the same from the red rain sire pairing as these ch? Also from my understanding I thought he got a 1.2 from that import dose he give info on witch female they came from or is it just a wc faly female.

Texas---no offense... but what's with the witch hunt?

 

[Texas Ranger]

Texas---no offense... but what's with the witch hunt?

No I guess you miss understand what I am saying..... I was asking about documented blood lines. I do not buy chameleons unless I know a 100% about them... And if someone could let me know some info on the females and what female layed what . I thought about getting some. But I can't seem to get a ansewer witch tells me the info was not passed on to the customer. That's all I am trying to find out... So read my post befor jumping on me ........