My ambanja clutch

[tkilgour]

Your ruffling my feathers. Some of you members act like you run a chameleon mafia. Also, Eric thompson provided me w/ a great gravid female. Is this a problem, I dont think so especially when the breeder has over 900 eggs and is overpopulated. Also, a specific breeders with a senior member title should ease up on the attacks, you do not want me spilling what other breeders say about the chams they recieved and the health they were in. The answer to your question is no I do not have anything for sale at this time. My babies are 2.5 months old and cant be placed until they reach 3.5 months. Sorry if your feel your feathers are ruffled but this thread wasnt posted for you to vent against me. Go run you chameleon mafia and forget me.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Tom,

For the benefit of other readers here who may look at your picture of the eggs, and then draw certain conclusions, let me first post part of my reply PM to an inquiry that you made yesterday of me:

Tom,
Sphagnum can work, but it is usually harder to work with in keeping the moisture content correct and consistent than either hatch-rite or vermiculite. It is unlike dirt in many ways, and dirt is the females medium of choice. You are not losing eggs because of the choice of either of those mediums, although you can lose eggs due to improper moisture and temperatures.

Again, for the benefit of others, let me elaborate. Considering the medium options available, such as vermiculite, hatch-rite, dirt, etc., I think sphagnum a far lesser choice of medium. It is lower density than the other mediums, allows for far less contact between the egg surface and the medium, and exposes the eggs to dessication far quicker should something go wrong. To then put the eggs on the surface only increases this risk. I would recommend that no one care for their eggs as in that picture.

Daily temperature fluctuations as described are not going to ruin eggs. Temperature control may aid your ability to induce a diapause, time hatches, etc., but it is not why you've lost a few eggs in the past.

Good luck with all.

 

[Surfrat]

Anyone with a "pation" for chameleons is okay in my book.

P.S

don't use the mini fridge or sphagnum moss.

 

[tkilgour]

Anyone with a "pation" for chameleons is okay in my book.

P.S

don't use the mini fridge or sphagnum moss.

Thank you I have to agree w/ you. I didnt realize my thread would evolve into this. That is okay there are always haters out there. Guess they dont like when you tute your own horn. I appreciate your input. I have used vermiculite and had no issues. However, I have recieved diverse info. on sphagnum moss and the mini fridge. I guess I should just continue with the method I know best. thanks.

 

[tkilgour]

For the benefit of other readers here who may look at your picture of the eggs, and then draw certain conclusions, let me first post part of my reply PM to an inquiry that you made yesterday of me:



Again, for the benefit of others, let me elaborate. Considering the medium options available, such as vermiculite, hatch-rite, dirt, etc., I think sphagnum a far lesser choice of medium. It is lower density than the other mediums, allows for far less contact between the egg surface and the medium, and exposes the eggs to dessication far quicker should something go wrong. To then put the eggs on the surface only increases this risk. I would recommend that no one care for their eggs as in that picture.

Daily temperature fluctuations as described are not going to ruin eggs. Temperature control may aid your ability to induce a diapause, time hatches, etc., but it is not why you've lost a few eggs in the past.

P.S. my ambilobes you sent me are amazing looking and very healthy. The male is a giant and has intense colors

Good luck with all.

Thank you Jim, I appreciate it a great deal and respect your input greatly. I took a picture of the eggs right when they were excavated so people could see them. I like vermiculite, but I just spun the question because many like sphagnum moss, as well as the mini fridge and I wanted some input. I hear hatchrite works excellent and is a great medium of choice.

 

[Julirs]

Thank you I have to agree w/ you. I didnt realize my thread would evolve into this. That is okay there are always haters out there. Guess they dont like when you tute your own horn. I appreciate your input. I have used vermiculite and had no issues. However, I have recieved diverse info. on sphagnum moss and the mini fridge. I guess I should just continue with the method I know best. thanks.

I truly think I can speak for others by saying no one would have an issue with you if they felt you were being honest. No one is really sure why you are "tute-ing" your horn in the first place.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Tom and others,

You can be successful using different media and incubation approaches. My point is that some are less forgiving of mistakes than others. Eggs are always more exposed to all accidents when on the surface than when buried, with drying-out being at the top of the list, and sphagnum increases this risk, especially with small eggs, like chameleon eggs, rather than such as most snake eggs, etc.

While not suggested in this thread, I always advise against "Rubing" things up (a reference to Rube Goldberg, who was famous for making elaborate contraptions to accomplish simple tasks), as it increases the opportunities for things to go wrong. One advantage to finding an area of your house to keep eggs is that the temperatures are far less likely to go haywire than if you have some small incubator that relies on timers, heating elements, etc. If the heat or A/C in you home breaks down, you still have considerable time to react before you lose your eggs. In a small incubator, where a mechanical failure and over-heating are your greatest enemy, the eggs can poach before you know you have a problem.

Since it was mentioned, I also recommend against buying gravid CB females. The overwhelmingly largest factor in your success with eggs is the health and nutritional make-up of the female before she is bred, as successful incubation of good eggs is not hard. Putting females through egg-production if they are not in top-shape is also the most common way we lose females, IMMHO. When you buy a female bred elsewhere, you have yielded those controls and accepted greater risk.

Of course, I could say much more. But that is for another forum ... "tute tute" .... err .... "toot toot"

 

[summoner12]

You can be successful using different media and incubation approaches. My point is that some are less forgiving of mistakes than others. Eggs are always more exposed to all accidents when on the surface than when buried, with drying-out being at the top of the list, and sphagnum increases this risk, especially with small eggs, like chameleon eggs, rather than such as most snake eggs, etc.

While not suggested in this thread, I always advise against "Rubing" things up (a reference to Rube Goldberg, who was famous for making elaborate contraptions to accomplish simple tasks), as it increases the opportunities for things to go wrong. One advantage to finding an area of your house to keep eggs is that the temperatures are far less likely to go haywire than if you have some small incubator that relies on timers, heating elements, etc. If the heat or A/C in you home breaks down, you still have considerable time to react before you lose your eggs. In a small incubator, where a mechanical failure and over-heating are your greatest enemy, the eggs can poach before you know you have a problem.

Since it was mentioned, I also recommend against buying gravid CB females. The overwhelmingly largest factor in your success with eggs is the health and nutritional make-up of the female before she is bred, as successful incubation of good eggs is not hard. Putting females through egg-production if they are not in top-shape is also the most common way we lose females, IMMHO. When you buy a female bred elsewhere, you have yielded those controls and accepted greater risk.

Of course, I could say much more. But that is for another forum ... "tute tute" .... err .... "toot toot"

I feel I learn a lot when you toot. The reading is always good and never a waste.

 

[tkilgour]

Thank you Jim you always have great information. Your web site has some great resources as well. Also, my ambilobes from you are stunning. The male is huge and has intense colors. The female will make a great mom. You are always very helpful. Your right, "Toot, toot"

 

[Chameleon Company]

Errrrr ...

Your right, "Toot, toot"

You're right, unless you meant something like my "other left". "Toot, toot". All in fun

 

[Warrix642]

One advantage to finding an area of your house to keep eggs is that the temperatures are far less likely to go haywire than if you have some small incubator that relies on timers, heating elements, etc. If the heat or A/C in you home breaks down, you still have considerable time to react before you lose your eggs. In a small incubator, where a mechanical failure and over-heating are your greatest enemy, the eggs can poach before you know you have a problem. :

Thanks for the info Jim! I'm glad I saw this post, I was going to buy an incubator soon for my first clutch that is on the way. I think I will just use the closet and see how it goes.