More questions on coccidia

Every cham I've given Albon to has a bad reaction. I don't believe its the stress of giving the med. I'm able to trick some of them to get them to open their mouth and squirt it in. Still bad reaction.

Dave injects his feeders. He'll chime in on all the details.
 
Howdy Dodolah,

Like Luckykarma said, I injected the Clazuril into the feeder just before I put it on the enclosure screen to be munched. Hornworms, silkworms and superworms all worked ok. They need to be eaten right away before the shock of having 2mg of liquid injected in the feeder kills them. I keep my chameleons on the hungry-side so the feeder is usually eaten within a few seconds.

Appertex (Clazuril) seems to be available only in pill form so you have to thoroughly pulverize it into a fine powder and then suspend it in something on the thick-side (I use vegatable glycerin from the health food store but honey would work too) to suspend the drug while it is being injected into the insect. Try to keep the volume down to about 0.2ml and keep the syringe's drug leftovers to a minimum by having a little bit of air left at the plunger before slowly injecting it into the feeder. I strongly recommend an 18 gage hypo needle to avoid clogging. The usual diabetic needles definitely won't work. I would dose it at one pill either every other day or even a day longer than that. Overdosing from a dose of one pill doesn't seem to be a problem. I'd guess that a chameleon between 50 grams and 500 grams could tolerate that dosage. You could always try less and see what happens too.

"You got the poop, I got the 'scope :)."

Here's a place to get Appertex in 2.5mg pills:
http://www.jedds.com/Products.asp?MainCategoryID=76&SubCategoryID=1457 (Other racing pigeon supply places carry it too.)
If you are already going to be in the Anaheim CA area, save the shipping!

Jedd's
1655 N. Red Gum St.
Anaheim, CA 92806
714-630-5921
800-659-5928
 
Is this what coccidia looks like under the microscope?

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Coccidia comes from fecal infected ground. Which is, honestly, everywhere.)

majority of animals (including you) have traces of coccidia in the system. The population, however, is under control of the host' immune system.
making them to live harmoniously in the intestine.
During the time when your chameleon under a heavy stress, his immune system will loose its effectiveness. During this, coccidia population burst out of control.
Then the nightmare comes. Coccidia way to reproduce is particularly nasty. They burrow themselves in the cell of your digestive system and reproduce inside the cell. When they are ready, they will burst out of the cell and reinfect the neighboring cells causing the host' intestine to be thin and soon ruptured in the case of heavy population attack.

Coccidia is a protozoan that thrive under humid environment.
They are everywhere, certainly on the soil around you. Most of the time they are buried under. During rain, however, they resurface.
They can be killed by normal way of killing microorganism, but one cycle of them is difficult to kill. During hardship, coccidia develop a strong thick wall called cyst and somewhat live in a suspended animation until the environment change.

This cyst is very sticky and cannot be killed even using the strongest bleach concentration that are safe for you to use.
When these annoying creatures in the oocyst stage, they practically almost impossible to kill except by boiling water.
There is a treatment for coccidia but the hardest thing is to prevent the reinfestation.


Is this what coccida looks like under the microscope?
 
Thank you! I printed this out to take to my local (dog & cat) vet to get a fecal so I don't have to drove to Orlando to get it checked. Jann
 
my chams seem to be pretty healthy, but i was just wondering, what does it cost to get a fecal done? how expensive are most cham medicines? I dont have a vet yet, but i was thinking about submitting my chameleons', and snake's poop just for the fun of it to see whats going on with them, seemed like a good idea.
 
my chams seem to be pretty healthy, but i was just wondering, what does it cost to get a fecal done? how expensive are most cham medicines? I dont have a vet yet, but i was thinking about submitting my chameleons', and snake's poop just for the fun of it to see whats going on with them, seemed like a good idea.

It costs me $100+ just to arrive at the vets door. But the fecal tests were cheap, something like $20.
It will depend where you live and of course on the vet.
 
my chams seem to be pretty healthy, but i was just wondering, what does it cost to get a fecal done? how expensive are most cham medicines? I dont have a vet yet, but i was thinking about submitting my chameleons', and snake's poop just for the fun of it to see whats going on with them, seemed like a good idea.

If you just take the poop it should cost about $15.00. Call you vet ahead and ask how much for a fecal.
 
Wow. You guys get it that cheap?!!

No one around here does it for less than $50 - $65. I'm planning on taking a course in Parasitology and offering to do fecals at what I thought was an amazing low price of $15/float. Hmmm.
 
Wow. You guys get it that cheap?!!

No one around here does it for less than $50 - $65. I'm planning on taking a course in Parasitology and offering to do fecals at what I thought was an amazing low price of $15/float. Hmmm.

At the regular vet (where I take my dog) she charges $15 but the reptile vet might be a tad more. Everything's very expensive on the west coast.
 
At the vet I go to (REALLY considering finding a new vet) there is no way that they would just do the fecal. You need to pay the full price for a "check up" even if you just want the fecal done. Such a money making scam. Then, of course, the fecal is an additional lovely charge. Good thing I have a nice friend who offered to do mine free! :D
 
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