MBD long term recovery questions - Long

zwhitman

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So I have a 13 month old male veiled who was a MBD rescue. Previous owner kept in a glass tank, no UV lighting, ect…you all know the story. I used to manage a reptile store that dealt with a lot of fresh imports so I have some experience with sick chameleons. But I have never had one that was as jacked up as this guy is. Anyway he has made significant improvements in the 6 months that I have had him but I have a few questions about some stuff that still is not perfect.

When I first got him his casque was slightly soft but it has firmed up (although still crooked). I am assuming that as he is full grown and the bones have hardened it will never straighten out?

He is missing a few toes and has some fused vertebrae in the end of his tail. I think he might have joint problems in his feet. He can definitely climb normally but when he rests he sometimes uses a loose grip with one or more feet. See the picture below where he is basking with one foot dangling.

When he arrived his tongue was only about 4 inches long (he had been fed from a small cup) and his aim was terrible. He can now shoot accurately to about 6 inches but still misses more frequently than most. Will his tongue ever reach full length?

When he opens his mouth I can see there are several sections of teeth that are missing. Will these ever regrow?

My biggest concern is he has a dark strip of skin running up the front of his casque. I assume it is a burn scar, or maybe an area where too many layers of shed skin were stuck for too long? It does not look like living tissue and he constantly has problems shedding that area. Any suggestions/ideas?

He is currently being housed on a home made canopy. He has a basking area that is between 95-100F and a reptisun 10.0. Over the winter he eats mostly crickets and sometimes super worms. Over the summer he eats mostly large grasshoppers that overrun my property. I feed about 4-5 days a week and dust every 2-3 feedings with minerall. He also eats a good amount of his pothos.

Here he is… still pretty good looking if you ask me. :)

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I've never worked with MBD recovery, so sorry I have no input but:

I love the set up, I'm going to have to copy one of these. Do you cup feed?
 
I doubt that the teeth will ever be replaced. The tongue should extend fully eventually. The casque will likely never straighten out.

He doesn't look bad for a chameleon that has had MBD...bones in the arms and legs, etc. look good.

Only suggestions I have are to make sure that the calcium levels have been brought back into line and to provide proper supplementing/gutloading/temps. etc. to keep them there.

He's a beauty!
 
I doubt that the teeth will ever be replaced. The tongue should extend fully eventually. The casque will likely never straighten out.

He doesn't look bad for a chameleon that has had MBD...bones in the arms and legs, etc. look good.

Only suggestions I have are to make sure that the calcium levels have been brought back into line and to provide proper supplementing/gutloading/temps. etc. to keep them there.

He's a beauty!

I agree...he looks pretty good for a rescue! To help him shed that casque scar you can gently rub the area when he's actively shedding, watch for any infected areas along the edges (swelling, increasing discolored area, oozing or redness), or dab a bit of Polysporin on it to protect it and keep it from getting too dry.

Also, chams sometimes rest a foot as he's doing. It isn't necessarily a problem. Maybe something hurts occasionally.
 
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Thanks for the responses. He was lucky that most of his bone problems seem to be in his extremidies and not in his legs/jaw ect.

As far as his grip... He usually perches with only three feet and he alternates which one he rests. Also when he sleeps he does not have a tight grip (unless he chooses to sleep on a vertical perch). His hands are almost wide open and relaxed. Is this normal? Its funny, after years of dealing with chams in the store I never realized till I brought this guy home that I had never seen one sleep!
 
yeah he looks fab. specialy for going through what he did.....just keep givin him those cal supplements! yummy!
 
I agree he is gorgeous. But i would like to add one thing. My first veiled rescue had shedding issues sooooo bad he not only lost half his casque but a large strip right down his back. It was really really bad, i didn't think he would make it through. But he did with just one visit to the vets. He gave me an oil and i'm sorry i don't remember the name of it, maybe someone with snakes can help me out, it was an oil that is used for snakes to help shed. I gave him 2 showers daily and rubbed the oil on the burnt area. Which within a week or so fell off by itself. He didn't look too good after that but he was much happier. A shot of antibiotics just to make sure it didn't get infected and he was good to go. So keep an eye on it. Although i 've had a few veileds since then and most of them come with the strip on their casque burnt. 'Some have eventually lost the burnt part some have not. Good luck.
 
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