Male and Female Veiled
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justjumpit621
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They should have seperate enclosures until they are ready to breed, then only introduce them to breed and return them to their own cages.
supermrchameleon
New Member
Erm... I just asked a similar question and everyone advised me against it. Just wait till they're old enough and supervise them when you put them in together to breed but after that then its back to the separate cages for them.
pssh
Avid Member
Not unless your enclosure is very very large. They would also breed regardless of when you wanted them to if they were kept together. Plus she would die from over breeding and being bred so young, she would also probably have monster clutches that would also kill her faster. They may also fight, and you might not always be there to see/stop it.
It's not worth it in my opinion.
It's not worth it in my opinion.
pssh
Avid Member
yes, if you don't care about the females health. If you do care about her health then you probably shouldn't.
There was a thread called the sad tale of two chams housed together. It's terrible and an end product of when a male and female are housed together by someone who has no idea what they are doing.
Here:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/sad-tale-2-chameleons-housed-together-14453/
Elizadolots
New Member
You can create a physical and visual barrier between them, so they are in separate spaces while in the same cage. It's not great though, trust me. It's really going to be easier on you in the long run (and less expensive) to just house them separately from the beginning.
If you do decide to try creating separate spaces in the same page, send me a PM and I'll share the things that went wrong with my attempt. Hopefully that will help you avoid the mistakes I made.
If you do decide to try creating separate spaces in the same page, send me a PM and I'll share the things that went wrong with my attempt. Hopefully that will help you avoid the mistakes I made.
Texas Panther Man
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Every book article or breeder I have ever talked to has always said 1 adult per enclosure. I doubt FL Chams just told you it was ok to put them together without very special directions. Ie a very large enclosure. You asked for others opinoins on this and then you just disregarded all the info that was offered. I feel sorry for the chams because they will suffer because of your inability to properly care for them. If you can't afford two cages then you can't afford two chams. And in the long run two enclosures would take up far less space than one large cage to house both properly. What do you all bet we get a thread asking whats wrong with his chams in a few months after housing them together. 
Elizadolots
New Member
I had LLLReptile tell me it was okay to put two Fischer's together...it wasn't. I suspect sometimes clerks eager to make a sale will say things that aren't entirely true.
GooglezNvincent
New Member
That is a little unfair to be so black and white. There are plenty of seasoned breeders and owners that I know of that house females together, and also a male and female. Chameleons will not automatically die if they are housed together. With the proper space and setup, ALONG WITH knowledge and experience chameleons can be housed together without any negative outcomes.
In this situation, with the OP seeming to be new to the hobby, I would say just keep them separate, but we all need not to say that people can't do things just because we don't agree with it.
jeanjacket812
New Member
LLL used to have a baby veiled package with 2 babies and they told me that they would be fine together for a few months, they were not ok together for 10 minutes! the female was walking all over the male and like grabbing his legs and bending them and I had to seperate them immediatley, it super stressed out the male. I wouldn't risk it 70 bucks for an extra cage is a way better deal than a stressed or dead cham.
dmaizer
Avid Member
Every book article or breeder I have ever talked to has always said 1 adult per enclosure. I doubt FL Chams just told you it was ok to put them together without very special directions. Ie a very large enclosure. You asked for others opinoins on this and then you just disregarded all the info that was offered. I feel sorry for the chams because they will suffer because of your inability to properly care for them. If you can't afford two cages then you can't afford two chams. And in the long run two enclosures would take up far less space than one large cage to house both properly. What do you all bet we get a thread asking whats wrong with his chams in a few months after housing them together.
i don't think you have enough experience to be giving this advise, because i seen many people house a male and female jackson, and you can't say that FL chams didn't say what they said.
dmaizer
Avid Member
veiled are different than jacksons, and also about two years ago i had two baby veileds in the same cage and they seemed fine to me.
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pssh
Avid Member
I'm not saying they will automatically die. I'm saying that the female will continually reproduce, which shortens the females life. Unless that is incorrect. Yes, they can be housed together, but you will have no control over when they mate and her eggs/production of the eggs. You can definately do it, but only if you don't care about the female continually being bred.
draetish
Avid Member
What happens when you house more than 1 cham is: there is always going to be a more dominent one (the alpha or omega) and the other will feel intimidated and submissive. This means they are not comfortable and free. One may not let the other eat or drink. Another thing to keep in mind is......how will you know which has the orange urate and which has the white urate? It is part of the 'daily' routine to check 'POOP' and make sure it is normal. I'm sure at least 95% of all members do this.
Lizardlover
New Member
Draetish had a good point about the male being dominant as well, a while back a thread was made about a person who housed a male and female panther together, the female was emaciated and always hid, from her hiding so much she was not able to get adequate UVB and had MBD, a fungal infection, and was emaciated.
Do you really want to do that to your female?
Do you really want to do that to your female?
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Actually, yes, that is incorrect, Pssh. A number of people who have kept various chameleon species together as pairs have found that reproduction actually decreased in pairs kept together compared with pairs kept separate and then introduced and bred as soon as the female was receptive. This includes observations with Veiled Chameleons, among others.
Most chameleon species can be kept in pairs but it is contingent on an enclosure of appropriate size and design appropriate for that species. Most importantly, it depends on the behavior of the individual animals involved and this is where experience becomes vital and why no one recommends cohabitating pairs except for the most experienced keepers.
Chris
